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hodj

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I like how you "helped" by ignoring the other 90% of the article where the author is describing Kentucky as a southern state.
Primary assertion: Kentucky is a southern state because some retarded Tennessee organization asked for a license plate that says some stupid shit about the confederacy on it.

Primary fact: Said license plate was rejected by the government of Kentucky

Continue to stay incapable of dealing with it. I already refuted that evidence before I dunno why you'd even bother trying to circle back around and restart the retard rollercoaster you're on.
 

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Look at all that trying to change the subject and wriggle back out from under the retard rock he placed himself in.

Blanket assertions aren't arguments. They're tacit admission you've lost and can't handle it. Assuage that ego by throwing bricks bro. It doesn't help you win, it just helps you deal with the pain of losing a little better.
The argument has already been won yesterday. Now we're just piling on you for lulz like we did with merlin after the Seal Team Six stuff. But much like a japanese soldier, abandoned on some pacific island for 30 years, you still think the war is going on.
 

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Nope. But you can keep coming in, pretending you've won, then running back to challenge the garglechimps all day and every time you do it, it'll show how wrong you are just a little bit more.

Step up to my level bro.
 

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Primary assertion: Kentucky is a southern state because some retarded Tennessee organization asked for a license plate that says some stupid shit about the confederacy on it.

Primary fact: Said license plate was rejected by the government of Kentucky

Continue to stay incapable of dealing with it. I already refuted that evidence before I dunno why you'd even bother trying to circle back around and restart the retard rollercoaster you're on.

Primary assertion was that Kentucky was a Southern state based on the common cultural, cuisine, linguistic and ethnographic elements that it shares with its neighbors further down south.

Everything else was just more and more evidence to support that assertion.


It's not my problem that you can't seem to navigate your way through this argument, bro. Grip even tighter to that piece of driftwood, until your knuckles are as white as the suits that Kentuckians wore while drinking their mint juleps and overlooking their plantations full of enslaved negroes.
 

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Primary assertion was that Kentucky was a Southern state based on the common cultural, cuisine, linguistic and ethnographic elements that it shares with its neighbors further down south.
No, that's his justification for why Kentucky might consider the license plate. Except we didn't. We rejected it.

So there goes that argument.
 

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No, that's his justification for why Kentucky might consider the license plate. Except we didn't. We rejected it.

So there goes that argument.
The point wasnt whether you rejected it or not. The point was that you have residents who have enough clout for this to get this far, and for it to become national news. I dont think you're getting the nature of this entire argument at all, bro.

Maybe you can name me a Northern state which considered using confederate plates?
 

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The point was that you have residents who have enough clout for this to get this far
That's dumb because anyone with money can apply for a license plate, and the CSA is a Tennesse based organization. It was rejected.

This entire argument is now a genetic fallacy. That because someone can disfavorable can apply for a license plate, therefore the entire state bears the sins of those people. Its completely retarded by the way. I mean like an incredibly stupid, infantile, and facetious argument on its face.

Continue to stay really rekt.
 

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The sexual tension is strong in here.
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The Republican Party freed the slaves in the Civil War, therefore they are the party of black people.
States and parties aren't really comparable entities to begin with, one is a mutating thing, the other has clearly defined borders and encompasses a particular region or geographic space with a population that tends to be defined by its historical forebears.

A state's vote is a historical statement, we as descendants of those voters have a right to have our history respected, rather than having it thrown aside. Let me give you an example. The cultural argument essentially tries to make Kentucky part of the Confederacy after the fact. This is a rhetorical attack trying to equate Kentucky and its citizens with the people who literally fought to preserve slavery in American society. That's kind of a nasty vicious charge when you really think about it. So its pretty charged rhetoric. Look at Araysar's authors that he keeps citing for some proof of this claim, where they claim that we became "Confederates after the war ended". This is clearly meant to tie Kentucky and its citizens rhetorically to some really horrendous crimes.

Would we accept this argument if, for instance, someone claimed that because the CULTURE of the modern day Israel is geared towards isolating and annihilating the Palestinians, would we go back and say then that the Jews were complicit in the Holocaust? No. Of course not. If we have modern day crimes, let us stand on those charges. But attempting to tie us to a movement we actively despised and reviled, voted against, and then fought and shed blood and died for, a movement of reprehensible people with no respect for human dignity, that is what you're doing. You're attempting to lay the crimes of the slavery movement in America at our feet. Its unfair. We gave it up willingly and fought to end it. We deserve credit for that.

Now the modern day Republican party doesn't represent the interest of blacks, nor does any party. No party represents modern day interests of any community, because they all represent the modern day interests of corporations. That's a completely separate conversation, stances in the Civil War era have little bearing on that. To say that these parties are corrupted in modern society beyond all accountability would be an understatement.
 

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All I know is that Boner is a senile old man who willfully does not best serve the interests of those he is tasked to represent.

I'd rather have a Tea Party speaker. Take the mask away, let our esteemed Senators figure out how to earn their corporate paychecks when the House is in open revolt.
 

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States and parties aren't really comparable entities to begin with, one is a mutating thing, the other has clearly defined borders and encompasses a particular region or geographic space with a population that tends to be defined by its historical forebears.

A state's vote is a historical statement, we as descendants of those voters have a right to have our history respected, rather than having it thrown aside. Let me give you an example. The cultural argument essentially tries to make Kentucky part of the Confederacy after the fact. This is a rhetorical attack trying to equate Kentucky and its citizens with the people who literally fought to preserve slavery in American society. That's kind of a nasty vicious charge when you really think about it. So its pretty charged rhetoric. Look at Araysar's authors that he keeps citing for some proof of this claim, where they claim that we became "Confederates after the war ended". This is clearly meant to tie Kentucky and its citizens rhetorically to some really horrendous crimes.
If Kentuckians dont want to be tied to slavery, why is the whole state awash in Confederate flags, symbolism, etc? Why do 9 out of 10 Kentuckians consider themselves a part of the South, fully aware of the racial implications with that association?

I mean this is a rhetorical farce on Hodj's behalf.



Would we accept this argument if, for instance, someone claimed that because the CULTURE of the modern day Israel is geared towards isolating and annihilating the Palestinians, would we go back and say then that the Jews were complicit in the Holocaust? No. Of course not. If we have modern day crimes, let us stand on those charges. But attempting to tie us to a movement we actively despised and reviled, voted against, and then fought and shed blood and died for, a movement of reprehensible people with no respect for human dignity, that is what you're doing. You're attempting to lay the crimes of the slavery movement in America at our feet. Its unfair. We gave it up willingly and fought to end it. We deserve credit for that.

Now the modern day Republican party doesn't represent the interest of blacks, nor does any party. No party represents modern day interests of any community, because they all represent the modern day interests of corporations. That's a completely separate conversation, stances in the Civil War era have little bearing on that. To say that these parties are corrupted in modern society beyond all accountability would be an understatement.
No one is seriously making the argument that Kentuckians were complicit in slavery (although they were to a significant degree). The argument being made is that culturally Kentucky is part of the Southern culture based on traditions, customs and lifestyles. There is more to Southern culture than just slavery + racism but you're too myopic to see that because all you can see is someone smearing Kentucky as a slave state (which it was, but we dont care about that so much in the context of this argument).

P.S. I like how you say "we" as if you were all united in opposition to the Confederacy. Half of fucking Kentucky went to fight for the CSA and the other half went to fight for the Union. Gimme a break here. At the very least have the courage to admit that
 

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If Kentuckians dont want to be tied to slavery, why is the whole state awash in Confederate flags, symbolism, etc?
Assertion fallacy. Its not.

Try again.

No one is seriously making the argument that Kentuckians were complicit in slavery (although they were to a significant degree).
Every state was complicit in slavery, but the issue is that those who fought to preserve the institution when its end date arrived were the real bad guys. Before that slavery was a cultural phenomena and much like religion it just wasn't seriously questioned except by an extreme minority. It took traction to break apart.

Half of fucking Kentucky went to fight for the CSA
Wrong. The fact that the shadow government got kicked out and was never able to get even a starting foothold in the state is proof that this simply isn't true. Further we contributed significantly more men to the Union than the confederacy. Something like two or three times I believe. I have to go find the numbers again I've seen them somewhere before.
 

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So are you saying that 9 out of 10 Kentuckians who consider Kentucky to be a Southern state are wrong?
 

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I'm saying 10 out of 10 kentuckians could think they are southern and they'd be wrong.

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100-125,000 kentuckians, including 25-28000 african americans were in the Union armies, 50,000 white volunteers and another 20,000 state militia. 10,000 died in the war. No full accounting of the Confederate numbers exists because many records was destroyed but the estimate is 40,000.

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In total, about 100,000 Kentuckians served in the Union Army. After April 1864, when the Union Army began recruiting African American soldiers in Kentucky, almost 24,000 joined to fight for their freedom. For the Confederacy, between 25,000 and 40,000 Kentuckians answered the call of duty.
Just like back then, about 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the Kentucky population aligned against "Southern" points of view and another 1/3rd or a quarter of the population sided with the South.
 

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Something bizarre about a russian immigrant trying to tar an adopty kentuckian about being a southerner.
 

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I'm saying 10 out of 10 kentuckians could think they are southern and they'd be wrong.
But Hodj, you told us yourself that you're an authority on this subject because you were born there and lived there, and apparently that imbued you with some secret knowledge that all these egghead professors and historians didnt have, BECAUSE THEY WERENT FROM KENTUCKY. (this was an actual argument he attempted yesterday for anyone who is reading out of amusement)

So the researched and published books (by a university press, not self published) didnt mean anything because 1). history is bullshit as you pretty much implied (was that before or after you started throwing around the term "historical fact" as your one and only argument) because historians just retell a story from their point of view so its meaningless. And 2). you knew better than all those "professors" because you were born there.


So how could 9 out of 10 Kentuckians be wrong? They were presumably born there just like you, they lived there just like you, surely they have the same magic Kentucky knowledge that you do?

But yeah, you never commit any logical fallacies, bro

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