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hodj

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We also owned a shitton of slaves and were one of the largest slave markets in America!

Also a ton of Kentuckians fought for the CSA!

Never forget us!

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Look at all those unsourced assertions and horselaugh fallacies. Araysar confirmed mad.

Hey lithose

In fact looking at your attachments lithose, none of them are sourced. NONE.
 

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Well, I think that's it.

Being Southern is decided by whether or not you rebelled. But any other civil wars have had no effect on who the people were.
This is a strawman. I didn't say anything of the sort. Also, your entire argument here is a distraction fallacy. Sorry didn't catch this retarded post before or I would have already responded to it.
 

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The Confederacy comes to Kentucky - Salon.com

Yet, the SCV campaign for a Confederate license plate might make some headway among some present-day Kentuckians, if only because historians have long argued that the state and its people began to express vigorously pro-Southern and pro-Confederate sympathies ever since Lee's surrender. Kentucky, like so many other states located south of the Mason-Dixon Line or south of the Ohio River (or red states in the Midwest and West), basks today in a warm nostalgia for all things Southern, particularly if those things date from the antebellum period, when presumably white Southerners sat on their verandas drinking mint juleps and listening to contented slaves serenading them.
 

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This is a strawman. I didn't say anything of the sort. Also, your entire argument here is a distraction fallacy. Sorry didn't catch this retarded post before or I would have already responded to it.
Yeah you pretty much said that whether you're southern or not is determined by whether you rebelled or not. You've been frothing about that exact thing as your only argument for the last 24 hours.
 

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No you didn't. Citations require links, quotations, not "I read a bunch of sociologists who said this derp so now you have to believe me"
(So(Citation: Rethinking the Boundaries of the South. Page 82..

(Book: Southern Honor a history of violence. Yeah Kentucky is included).

Sociologists foremost in the field,like Reed, all say Kentucky is south. polls conducted through SFP, Kentucky's answers matched the South's in terms of religion, political beliefs, personal beliefs, and identity. .
The SFP polling data was in the pictures linked. Reed's essay provided the other pictures. (He's got a whole serious of books on Southern Identity and the metrics used to identify it.) At this point, you're not even reading posts, you're literally just attempting to use the arguments that let you feel like you've won against other people. Mindlessly and desperately asking for cited evidence even when it's been provided and actual pictures have been attached so you don't have to go look for the papers themselves.

It's actually getting really sad, no seriously, it is. I think I'll let you think you've won because you obviously desperately need it. So go ahead and invoke Danth's law, I'm done whipping this horse.
 

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And now he's back to circular arguments citing material he cited way back at the start of this debate that was already debunked.

Stay completely fucking rekt there Araysar. Go back to arguing with Merlin, he's more your league.
 

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Yeah you pretty much said that whether you're southern or not is determined by whether you rebelled or not. You've been frothing about that exact thing as your only argument for the last 24 hours.
That is apparent to everyone else right? Because it's been like his only argument for the last 2 pages and now he's saying he didn't say it. It's amazing. At this point he's just trying to save face because it's not in his nature to concede. I actually feel sorry enough for him that I think I'm going to bow out and let him have his little delusion.
 

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The SFP polling data was in the pictures linked. Reed's essay provided the other pictures. (He's got a whole serious of books on Southern Identity and the metrics used to identify it.)
Why should I care what Reed has to say? Who is he? Why are you citing him? Why would a sociologist have any credibility in this debate when cultural arguments are already proven invalid repeatedly because they are too broadly applicable?

At this point, you're not even reading posts
If your posts were worth reading, and weren't so easily rebutted, so full of tripe and so devoid of substance, I might spend more time reading them.

you're literally just attempting to use the arguments that let you feel like you've won against other people.
I'm literally just asking you to show me why I should ever consider a cultural argument, which is qualitative by design, as more valid or credible than simple historical fact.

You're literally just mad you can't do that.
 

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That is apparent to everyone else right? Because it's been like his only argument for the last 2 pages and now he's saying he didn't say it. It's amazing. At this point he's just trying to save face because it's not in his nature to concede. I actually feel sorry enough for him that I think I'm going to bow out and let him have his little delusion.
Its the only argument I need. The fact that you guys have had to change your arguments so much to try and win is proof that my argument, my metric, is the fair one, and you're desperate for any port in a storm. Literally I don't need another argument. You can't refute it, so why would I need one?

Stay really mad that facts are more valuable than emotional appeals to the biscuits and gravy consumption-o-meter.
 

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Hodj,

how do you ever expect to ever accomplish anything in academia when you can't even admit you were wrong about something so minor?
 

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How can you ever hope to beat me when you constantly return to appeals to fallacy?
 

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Its the only argument I need. The fact that you guys have had to change your arguments so much to try and win is proof that my argument, my metric, is the fair one, and you're desperate for any port in a storm. Literally I don't need another argument. You can't refute it, so why would I need one?

Stay really mad that facts are more valuable than emotional appeals to the biscuits and gravy consumption-o-meter.
We didnt change our arguments. We just brought many more additional ones that demonstrate our point, while you desperately clung to your singularly pathetic one.

Here's Glenn W. LaFantasie who is the Richard Frockt Family Professor of Civil War History at Western Kentucky University to tell you about Kentucky, and how Kentucky is a southern state.

Take it away, Glenn.

The Confederacy comes to Kentucky - Salon.com
 

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^ watch him claim that this is an appeal to authority. its hilarious.
 

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We didnt change our arguments.
You've gone from racism to water towers to names on high schools to sociologists you can't actually cite, to assistant professors who wrote a book once that might maybe support your point of view but you've never read it to actually know, to biscuits and gravy and everywhere inbetween.

Cry just a little harder.
 

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Here Araysar, let me help you out on the Salon.com link

Kentucky.gov: - Resolution against Confederate License Plate 6-2011

See this link? That's a kentucky.gov link

Now read this:

Commission on Human Rights

Kentucky Human Rights Commission passes resolution against application for Confederate Flag License Plate

Press Release Date: Friday, June 24, 2011
Contact Information: Victoria Stephens
502-641-0760


FRIDAY JUNE 24 2011 LOUISVILLE, KY - The Kentucky Commission on Human Rights Board of Commissioners has passed a resolution against any specialty license plate bearing images of the Confederate flag or images that support the institution of slavery.

Third Supreme Court District Kentucky Human Rights Commissioner Duane Bonifer of Greensburg, Ky., read the resolution to the commission for passage at its Louisville meeting on Thursday, June 23. "We offer our support to the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet in denying any group that would ask for such a discriminatory license plate," Bonifer said.

It recently came to the attention of the Kentucky Commission on Human Rights through media reports that a national group based in Tennessee called the Sons of Confederate Veterans is renewing a request for the special license plate first applied for in 2007. The proposed plate would feature a Confederate battle flag and an image of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, with a slogan that says, "Honoring Our Heritage." As many as 15,000 Confederate plates in nine Southern states are already in circulation under the group's sponsorship, according to the Louisville Defender newspaper.

The commission is sending the resolution along with a letter to Transportation Cabinet officials asking them to deny the application and offering commission assistance regarding the matter if it would be deemed beneficial, said Commission Executive Director John J. Johnson.

The Transportation Cabinet's policy is to deny any plate design that would discriminate or can be construed as an attempt to victimize or intimidate any person due to the person's race.

"It really is time for people to grow up and stop pretending to use historic interest as guise for perpetuating backward, unintelligent ideas and attitudes," Johnson said. "It is always very transparent, and moral, intelligent people and, I think, society as a whole, are sick of it," he said.

The Kentucky Commission on Human Rights is the state government agency that enforces the Kentucky Civil Rights Act and the U.S. Civil Rights Act. These laws protect people from discrimination based on race, color, religion, national origin, sex, disability, familial status, age, and tobacco-smoking status. The classes are protected with varying stipulations in the areas of housing, employment, public accommodations and financial transactions.

People may contact the commission for help with discrimination by calling 1.800.292.5566. To learn more about civil rights, visit the Kentucky Commission on Human Rights website atKentucky: Kentucky Commission on Human Rights - Home. From the homepage, find the links to the commission Face Book and Twitter pages to follow civil and human rights-related news stories.
Stay rekt though.
 

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You've gone from racism to water towers to names on high schools to sociologists you can't actually cite, to assistant professors who wrote a book once that might maybe support your point of view but you've never read it to actually know, to biscuits and gravy and everywhere inbetween.

Cry just a little harder.
Whole state covered in Confederate markers, monuments, memorials, flags, symbolism. Government building and schools named after the Confederacy and confederate heroes. Most of the state lives, talks, eats and does exactly what people in Alabama and Mississippi do.

Claims its not a southern state.

haha.
 

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Here Araysar, let me help you out on the Salon.com link
I like how you "helped" by ignoring the other 90% of the article where the author is describing Kentucky as a southern state.
 

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Whole state covered in Confederate markers, monuments, memorials, flags, symbolism. Government building and schools named after the Confederacy and confederate heroes. Most of the state lives, talks, eats and does exactly what people in Alabama and Mississippi do.

Claims its not a southern state.

haha.
Look at all that trying to change the subject and wriggle back out from under the retard rock he placed himself in.

Blanket assertions aren't arguments. They're tacit admission you've lost and can't handle it. Assuage that ego by throwing bricks bro. It doesn't help you win, it just helps you deal with the pain of losing a little better.
 
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