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hodj

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So how could 9 out of 10 Kentuckians be wrong?
Because the majority of people in Kentucky don't even know that we sided with the North. Just like you didn't know it, till I pointed it out.

Just like most people don't know it. Because people have been labelling us south for so long we've come to believe it ourselves.
 

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hodj thinks if he's the last person posting he wins the "argument".

Go enjoy your southern weekend, hodj <3
 

hodj

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I think as long as they're reaching for water towers and biscuits and gravy and false assertions that are provably wrong like "Half of Kentucky ran off to join the Confederates" without refuting the central premise of my argument, then I win, yep.

I think it because its true.
 

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I like how you cherry pick the water tower argument, which was used as a joke at that point because the argument is so stupid, because anything else I've ever linked devastates you.
 

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hodj;464780 said:
I'm saying 10 out of 10 kentuckians could think they are southern and they'd be wrong.

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100-125,000 kentuckians, including 25-28000 african americans were in the Union armies, 50,000 white volunteers and another 20,000 state militia. 10,000 died in the war. No full accounting of the Confederate numbers exists because many records was destroyed but the estimate is 40,000.

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Going to bust out the rest of that page? Here, let me do it for you.

In the north and east, Kentuckians were ideologically and economically moving away from slavery. Economically, the area was diversifying. More and more of these Kentuckians broadened their traditional tobacco-and-hemp livelihoods by cultivating grains and cereals, breeding horses and livestock and manufacturing goods. By 1850, they had given Kentucky the South?s second broadest economic base. Generally, a more diversified economy meant less reliance on slavery, which helps to explain Kentucky?s rising emancipation ideology. Already, diversified Kentucky had a profitable market in the excess slaves sold to the Deep South. It was only a step further, then, to support emancipation, which called for a gradual and compensated end to slavery.

Why is this important? Well, because it's what I said earlier.

Appealing to arbitrary designations of economic loyalty isn't going to change present and apparent, verifiable facts. Sorry.
To which you responded with an appeal to emotion.

dysphemism. Shitty one. It wasn't just economic loyalty. We shed fucking blood, we sheltered freed slaves, we drove out members of our state who sided with the Confederates. We drew blood for the cause and shed blood too.
Oh. You shed blood. What about the 40 thousand troops who shed blood for the other side? You hid freed slaves?But you didn't actually free your own. In fact just before the war you erected one of the most powerful pro-slavery constitutions in the union and refused to free the salves until after the war was decided (Citation below.)


Kentucky Government Cited Below._sl said:
The 1850 Constitution was drafted in the midst of the conflicts over slavery. Pro-slavery factions dominated the convention proceedings and were successful in incorporating a significant number of changes into the state?s fundamental law. In the Bill of Rights to the 1850 Constitution, slave property was given added protection by a provision that slaves and their offspring should remain in the state, and that ministers of religion, long under suspicion as anti-slavery agitators, could not hold the office of Governor or seats in the General Assembly.
Citation: Legislative Research Commission. Kentucky Government Informational Bulletin 137.

You're trying to say Kentucky was noble, but it didn't answer the call of the Union. In 1861 your Governor said.

"President Lincoln, Washington, D.C. I will send not a man nor a dollar for the wicked purpose of subduing my sister Southern states."

Kentucky remained neutral until a Northern army aided the economically diverse northern section of your state, who was NOT reliant on slavers for their wealth (As noted in YOUR citation) to take over the state government in an election where half the state did not vote. Kentucky was a whore who tried to play both sides, and when two armies on her borders made that impossible, she sided with the one who made economic sense and had a better chance of winning--while simultaneously sending troops and supplies to the South to make sure they and an "in" on the off chance the South won.
 

hodj

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Yeah you're going to really hate trying to post in here since you can't seem to post without having an active edit button readily available.

Looks like Lithose is fanaskin 2.0
 

Lithose

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I understood what he posted. How about you try and refrain from attacks.
He knows, it's one quote tag not in place but it's his post so he knows where it ends. This is what he does when someone uses his own citations to refute him. It's what he learned in his sparring against Dumar. Call the source irrelevant, ask for citations, distract and ad-hominem. It's honestly a boring formula, but I couldn't let the gross misrepresentation of history slide. (I was already letting the delusion of Kentucky being North slide.)
 

hodj

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Let's see. Did people spill blood?

Yes. That's a fact. People died.

Now let me explain to you why you're wrong:

It wasn't an appeal to emotion because it wasn't being cited as evidence in support of a positive claim. It was addressing your attempt to slant the conversation through dysphemistic language

Now

Oh. You shed blood. What about the 40 thousand troops who shed blood for the other side?
Araysar's claim was that half the state marched off to fight for the Confederates dipshit. Try to keep up

You hid freed slaves? But you didn't actually free your own
Uh, yeah, we did. 75% were left go before the thirteenth amendment was put into effect.

You're trying to say Kentucky was noble, but it didn't answer the call of the Union. In 1861 your Governor said.

"President Lincoln, Washington, D.C. I will send not a man nor a dollar for the wicked purpose of subduing my sister Southern states."
Hey dumb fuck. Newsflash. We forced that man to stand up and declare for the Union and then kicked his ass out of office.
 

Lithose

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Uh, yeah, we did. 75% were left go before the thirteenth amendment was put into effect.
When your furiously Wiking to try and keep up with me, include whole quotes.

Kentucky did not outlaw slavery during the Civil War, as Maryland and Missouri did. Nevertheless, about 75% of slaves in Kentucky were freed orescapedto Union lines during the war.

Kentuckies slaves, unlike most slave states, were owned by a diverse group of people--since the farms were small. Since Kentucky sent nearly 14% (Or about) of it's male population to whore for both sides, a lot of the slaves were allowed to escape from farms who no longer had the actual slave master--to the three free stats above it or the Union encampment on it's border.

Again trying to be noble by thinking no one else knows any history or how to reed the wikis you're digging up. So sad.
 

hodj

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Its been cited like 5 times in this debate that the governor at the time was pro confederate, and the legislature overruled him. I've cited it multiple times. Anyone who is going to circle back to refuted arguments is a dumb fuck.

When your furiously Wiking to try and keep up with me, include whole quotes.

Kentucky did not outlaw slavery during the Civil War, as Maryland and Missouri did. Nevertheless, about 75% of slaves in Kentucky were freed or escaped to Union lines during the war.
Weren't required to. Not an argument for anything. We were supporting the Union who was freeing the slaves openly. We donated 25,000 of them ourselves.
 
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