League Of Legends

I wish league would allow you to que up with 3 people honestly. I feel having a third well rounded player on a team makes all the difference. Then again I guess it would just be whoever has the 1 idiot loses opposed to just terrible team in general.

Ronne_sl said:

I was down as low as 1050 once, and there is a definitely a point somewhere under 1200 that trolls/afk/feeders/whatever starts to become a majority of games rather than a small minority.

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Eh, it's not too bad since at that point you can generally carry. I find the worst is around 1200 because that's where many of the new players end up. When I ended up losing basically all of my placement matches due to rage quits and trolls I had to climb up from 1000 ELO and found that the quality of player at 1100 is much higher than 1200 since at 1100 people will actually work together. I'm currently hovering in the low 1200s and it's frustrating. Statistically I will eventually be able to get up to where I should be, which is around 1450 ELO* but it will take a LOT of games. Probably more games than I have time to play because I lead a busy life. Beyond that though I just want to be at a place where even a modicum of team work is normal. I mean you get your assholes at all levels but there are certain points on the ELO scale where it's just ridiculous.

Also, does anyone here follow the After Hours Gaming League?

* This is where my normal ELO was hovering at when you could actually figure it out awhile back.

TheRashyman_sl said:

I wish league would allow you to que up with 3 people honestly. I feel having a third well rounded player on a team makes all the difference. Then again I guess it would just be whoever has the 1 idiot loses opposed to just terrible team in general.

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Agree with this. I rarely play alone or with just 1 friend, usually it's with at least 2 friends and screw twisted treeline, it's fun at times but I dislike playing that map most of the time.

Also with all this ELO hell talk, if you are seriously having problems just pick a champion that can snowball games and you should easily be able to climb out of it assuming you are as good as you say you are. Can easily pick a champion like Darius or Singed and easily carry the game by yourself. There are champions in every role that allow you to do that, although ADC is the hardest, you can still pick say Draven and snowball the lane early (his level 1 & 2 dmg is insane) and most people at lower ELO probably don't understand Graves burst either. Hell, even carrying a game as support isn't as hard as it use to be, especially with all the global gold changes allowing you to actually get full items.

Here's some champs currently that can easily carry games.
Top: Darius, Singed
Jungle: Shaco, Mundo
Mid: Eve, Kat
ADC: Draven, Graves
Support: Blitz, Lux

That or just pick your favorite/best champion and only play that in ranked. Last season when rewards where announced I wanted that Janna skin, so I played only Ahri, ended up going something stupid like 15-1 and got to gold easily.

Lastly, it's solo queue. People fuck up a lot. Take advantage of it.

Elo hell is largely a factor of how much you play. 5-10 games a day, you won't hit elo hell. You'll grind right through any ups and downs. The streamers never see it because of this. they play too much.
A good casual player that only gets in 5-6 games a week, will get raped by it. Each game is more important in the overall scheme of things, and it will take forever to grind out, no matter how good you are.
(discounting for the moment, someone that plays frequently will just be more practiced)

Of course playing champs that can carry games helps.

Caliane_sl said:

Elo hell is largely a factor of how much you play. 5-10 games a day, you won't hit elo hell. You'll grind right through any ups and downs. The streamers never see it because of this. they play too much.
A good casual player that only gets in 5-6 games a week, will get raped by it. Each game is more important in the overall scheme of things, and it will take forever to grind out, no matter how good you are.
(discounting for the moment, someone that plays frequently will just be more practiced)

Of course playing champs that can carry games helps.

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You need to lay off the crack pipe.

elo is based off large samples. if you do not provide large samples of games, then you are subject to streaks. you can not get an accurate average rating. Elo does not work for people that play sporadically.
Its like playing 5 games of blackjack or roulette. Your sample is fucked. Play 1000 games, and the house wins its %.

I think we all just have varying ideas on what Elo Hell is. What Im saying is, before you go white knighting whether there is or isnt an Elo Hell... you might want to give your opinion of the definition of it. I personally think Elo Hell is where there is a rather large group of players with a poor attitude, have ADHD/ADD, or are generally casual in play style, end up. Most players that agree that there is such thing as an Elo Hell , think this area is around 1200. A player that doesnt or isnt any of these three and is actually skilled should pass this range and climb to where his skill peaks after averaging. Saying there isnt an Elo Hell is going against even what the developers have came to admit. Just stahp it ~

ELO hell is not 1200. If you stuck are in 1200 it's because you aren't good enough to carry a team ie. you aren't much higher than 1200 yourself. Go down to below 1000 and you can be a much better player and not carry a team because it is filled to the gills with trolls.

1000-1400ish is where it will be the worst.

1200 is where you start. "All players start ranked play with an Elo of 1200 for their first 10 games at level 30"
This creates an obvious situation. 1000-1400 games will have the greatest likely hood to have players who do not match there proper elo. By 1800, unless someone is playing someone elses account, they will likely have a correct value. But at 1300, you may be facing a 1250 player, who is really a 2000 player, who just started ranked, or plays normal 90% of the time.

These games will be inherently unpredictable. It is entirely possible for you to get screwed in your first 10 games, with shitty matchmaking. and your first 10 games have a very high +/- attached to them. As you play more, the +/- goes down. if you lose 10 straight, you'll need to win 15 to get back to even. (not quite accurate numbers, but the system is correct.)



Bad plays at all levels. Shit happens, and sometime its just random players have wildly different instincts and playstyles, that don't blend together. Doesn't mean one or the other is bad or trolling. and also consider of course, the guys that play 10 matches a day, do not care about 1 or 2 games. So, you get the quitters, trolls, etc. While again, if you only play 1 or 2, each and every game means alot more to you.

But honestly, if you are below 1400, worry more about picking up your own game first. Or just play normal, so you can sit back and say fuck it, and keep the rage away.

Daidraco_sl said:

Saying there isnt an Elo Hell is going against even what the developers have came to admit.

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Link?

I'll give you one from two days ago.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...92818#33492818
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...92953#33492953

Lulz Sect_sl said:

Who is the #1 best caster hero?

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There isn't one, and the top ones depend on: your team comp, enemy team comp, and how you play. Overall, top mid-lane APs right now are Katarina, Orianna, Eve, Twisted Fate, and Ryze, and they all play very differently and fill out different sub-roles. Generally speaking, all the APs snowball pretty well, but Kat/Eve/Lux/Leblanc probably snowball the hardest if you get ahead.

Kat for sure is the heaviest snowball AP champion imo. If you get ahead in your lane and get an early kill or two, you can just roam bottom 24/7 and snowball off 2 free kills everytime. The amount of burst she can do to say the Support, only to have all her stuff reset to do it to the ADC is insane. They have to shut you down early in lane, which is extremely difficult because as kat you should always have a ward on you and you just shunpo to your ward if you're in danger (just like lee sin)

As for overall best caster? Pretty much what Amzin said, there really isn't a best because it depends on your team comp. Utility go with Orianna. Map presence go with TF. Roaming go with Eve or Ahri. End game damage go with Ryze or Karthus. etc etc etc

I've been having a lot of fun with Zyra and Syndra mid. Zyra, in my opinion, has one of the best lane games for an AP mid. There is really no matchup that you should fear, except maybe Talon. But even then, she's pretty hard to zone out completely because her harass is pretty strong. Come team fights, her root and ultimate are just insane for CC. Syndra is also really strong. Her harass with Q is damn strong, and once you get good at comboing her abilities it's hard for just about any AP to stay in lane against you. Then once you get 6, you can combo basically anyone from 80% to 0%. Her CC is pretty good, but probably one of the most difficult skillshots to land in the game. When you land it in team fights though, it's pretty devastating.

Yeah, Syndra is one of my favorite AP champions at the moment. Her whole skillset is just fun and she never has to stand still to do anything which makes it even more enjoyable. Once she gets 6 she can usually gib someone, or at least force them to be very low, and end game with max CDR and a high amount of AP her spells are on such short CDs that she is constantly doing AoE damage, slows & stuns. The buff to her ultimate at level 16 (75 more range) is amazing and lowering her E cooldown by 2 seconds is going to make her that much more dangerous in fights because that stun is wonderful.

I've also wondered why Zyra isn't seen Mid as much anymore. I know she's a pretty amazing support but when she actually has AP the amount of damage she does is unbelievable. Plus yeah, being able to have 2 seeds out during laning phase poking your opponent is awesome. It's especially nice since you can launch your E and put 2 seeds down before it reaches the target. EWWQ during laning phase does a gooooood chunk of damage.

I'm currently on a jungle spree I think, mainly playing either Shaco or Mundo. It's weird because I only picked up mundo about a month ago. I had Shyvana and they both played very similar that I never bothered picking mundo up. Boy how I was wrong, he's so much fun. So great to have like Warmogs, Sunfire, Spirit Visage and Locket and you just run around, giving no fucks doing massive damage to everybody lol.

As for Shaco, I use to always start Wraiths > Red > Blue > level 3 gank. Now I tend to Wolves > Blue > Enemy red and just shit around in the enemy jungle being an asshole. It's more Trolly, which is what you should be doing as shaco. I also love camping one specific lane until they bitch about me camping them, then I proceed to camp them harder. Had people rage quit before from doing that, pretty hilarious.

Zyra plants applying torment dot is some real bullshit.

Ronne_sl said:

Zyra plants applying torment dot is some real bullshit.

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Whoa. Yeah that seems pretty abusive.

If only Torment was good~ % of current HP on spells on an item just always feels weak. Blackfire Torch is the opposite end of the spectrum, being absolutely insane, so I guess it's hard to balance. Frankly the best thing about Torment is it makes Haunting Guise less punishing if you go to late game.

Following up what Sidian said about Kat, I've actually lost midlane as Kat a couple times lately pretty bad and ended up coming back and ending with like a 4:1 ratio, because I played smart and hung back and then went in on teamfights once our initiator kicked into the enemy. You could come back as any AP but it's pretty easy with Kat considering one good teamfight will get you 2-3 kills every time just by her nature.