League Of Legends

Teekey_sl said:

He's one of those champions that just has a complete package. Gap closer/escape, sustain/range harass, and his passive makes his dueling capability nearly second to none.

I don't really mind playing against him Mid, but I can't trust my team to know how to deal with him. It's why I usually make sure he's banned if I'm team captain.

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Yeah, Kha'zix's power lies in the fact that he can quickly clear waves and then wander to another lane with a powerful gank and most solo queue players can't handle that. It also doesn't hurt he has everything else. His jungle is OK, but the problem is he needs gold to be effective into late game which you won't necessarily get when jungling unless you get a bunch of kills, which is not super ideal. I play him a lot mid and generally I start sustain so like Faerie Charm + 4 red pots + 2 mana pots + ward (I may be off a pot here...). Even if I don't build a Manamune the Faerie Charm ends up being useful. I feel that there are better items than Manamune for Kha'zix but people are dicks about blue in solo queue so it's nice having the option for lots of mana regen.

With regards to mid and top, yes you should be buying wards. As mid I will often buy two every time I go back to the fountain and it's lead to my team winning more than a few times due to being able to counter gank or see where the enemy mid is going.

How does duo queue work now with the new league system? I mean, could I in bronze duo queue with someone in Diamond and get carried to Diamond in a day?

Gadrel_sl said:

How does duo queue work now with the new league system? I mean, could I in bronze duo queue with someone in Diamond and get carried to Diamond in a day?

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A day is pretty optimistic from how it looks on paper, but yea you can still queue with anyone you want.

Mythas_sl said:

Had people going afk, an AP tryn ( because he wanted just to try it out ). and all sorts of ass hattery.

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AP Tryn is awesome. His AP scaling is rather good especially if you actually build it correctly with runes. He ends up with like 48 hp5 off the bat just letting him dominate and stretch in top if played correctly.

From another forum I frequent

It's no longer super important to start boots, so there's room to go back to the crazy AP stacking setup. Start Amp Tome, AP Quints/Seals, grab 6 AP in Offense and voila, 107+ Heals every 11.52 seconds. What other champion can get 47 Hp5 from their Runes and Masteries?

I should abuse that and get it nerfed.

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More info here:http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflege...otrek1997_ama/

Been having a lot of fun with Teleport/Smite Master Yi in the jungle. I was watching TheOddOne's stream and he kept playing against TP/Smite Yi's so I decided to give it a try and it's actually pretty damn fun. You have to play like a giant prick and lane tax like mad though, but god damn you get pretty beefy. His clear speed is extremely fast since eventually Q will kill the little creeps and your AD is so high you melt the big creeps, plus if you get procs on your Q it all dies that much faster. You're very weak early game though and you have to watch out for early counter jungling since if you get caught and can't 1v1 them you're screwed since you don't have any good defensive summoners.

A lot of players forget about teleport, so for instance I'll gank top, we either get a kill or force the enemy back, I then Alpha strike the creep wave, telling your teammate to push it, go to a bush, then teleport to a ward down at bottom, hopefully get a kill or two, alpha strike bot minions and tell your lane to push that tower. So much fun. The amount of farm you can get is insane by doing that. Be prepared to get yelled at though.

I ended up going Wriggles > IE > tanky, and mainly I only did that because I was completely fed the 2 games I did it, otherwise I'm not sure if you'd be able to get IE. Oh, also Sword of the Divine is so fucking hilarious on yi. Alpha strike in, pop your ult, wuju style & sotd and say hello to max attack speed and stupid OP damage.

lol.. man, some people are hilarious. I go teemo top, kill the olaf 3 times solo, get first tower 8 mins in.. keep split pushing causing their mid and jungler to keep coming top to get me (which they never do). Meanwhile, team never takes advantage of the pressure i've taken off other lanes to take towers or dragons, keeps engaging 4v5 while i'm pushing top and start bitching at me for not teamfighting. Meanwhile, I'm 5/1/1 12 mins in, got a shroomfield top and team never comes to top of map ENTIRE GAME. The talon that went mid ends up like 13/8/5, only other positive on team other then me and says the loss is entirely my fault. He started off 5/0 and then died in team fights when they'd be outnumbered. I join for some team fights and they still engage badly and we die, and say that now they are fed and I waited too long.. rofl.

It's just impossible for most people to see their own mistakes isn't it?

You're team sounds downsy. But, if they aren't going to adjust to you then you need to adjust your game plan sooner. That would be your mistake in that game. Also playing teemo since he is about as useful as spitting in the wind if you can't ensure your team knows how to play a split push strat well.

Teemo players think they're god's gift to League, but the truth is that Teemo has no late game. He's useless in team fights and his split push is anemic compared to champions like Shen, Singed, and Nidalee.

Gadrel_sl said:

Teemo players think they're god's gift to League, but the truth is that Teemo has no late game. He's useless in team fights and his split push is anemic compared to champions like Shen, Singed, and Nidalee.

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Teemo just relies on a team that knows how to play to his strengths. Mid to End game shrooming up all around Baron and forcing the enemy to run through, where you then hard engage them can easily win team fights. Also, Blind is pretty overpowered against a lot of the champions that will want to dive your back line.

Also, how is he worse of a split pusher then Singed or Nidalee? Sure Shen can ult away, but Teemo will have vision everywhere with his shrooms, is fast as shit and can for the most part 1v1 everybody in the game, especially if it's a non-ranged champion. Don't get me wrong, Singed is probably my favorite top lane champion and I know he's a god at split pushing. But I also know Teemo is just as good.

Sidian_sl said:

Teemo just relies on a team that knows how to play to his strengths. Mid to End game shrooming up all around Baron and forcing the enemy to run through, where you then hard engage them can easily win team fights. Also, Blind is pretty overpowered against a lot of the champions that will want to dive your back line.

Also, how is he worse of a split pusher then Singed or Nidalee? Sure Shen can ult away, but Teemo will have vision everywhere with his shrooms, is fast as shit and can for the most part 1v1 everybody in the game, especially if it's a non-ranged champion. Don't get me wrong, Singed is probably my favorite top lane champion and I know he's a god at split pushing. But I also know Teemo is just as good.

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Teemo is worse then shen and nid. As you pointed out Shen can escape and can also 1v1 anybody on their team aside from a late game ad carry if played properly. Nid has better escape and she can also 1v1 pretty much anyone during the split push. She also has the sustain that if she does take some damage she just runs away for ten seconds and heals up. Teemo and Singed are about even in split push imo.

I just think split pushing in general is too team dependent and is too risky in a solo queue setting. Most teams until you get in to the higher ranks of play don't go along with the plan. Teemo is just the extreme example of it because even if he team fights he then has to have a coordinated team that is patient enough and smart enough to use his shroom fields. Shen, Nid, and Singed at least are competent team fighters as well for when the split push strat falls apart.

Comparing Shen and Teemo split push is laughable. Shen split pushes and is still in a teamfight. Teemo fucks off in the bushes with shrooms and autos creeps while his team loses objectives.

TL;DR delete Teemo, waste of fucking game space and development time.

Was doing our placement matches in ranked 5v5 and we were doing pretty well until we matched up with a Shen/Twisted Fate combo. Then shit started to hit the fan when they would both port in bottom for a gank and even with my teleport on Cho we couldn't stop them. Was wondering if there's any counters for that comp other to ban Shen every game. Guessing our bottom could have played safer/more wards or we should have started team fighting earlier.

Well, easy way is to ban shen, or you play a defensive bot lane with lots of outs and you pick someone (like cho) who can disrupt the teleports. If shen is away from creeps then your other lanes should never engage. If he is in the creeps then silence/stun/knock up on him and his ult is a waste.

edit: Didn't notice him jungling. You just need to play an ashe/janna lane or something against that combo since it looks like your bot got pooped on. A nid or elise top as well. Play mobile and be happy.

Zulst_sl said:

Was doing our placement matches in ranked 5v5 and we were doing pretty well until we matched up with a Shen/Twisted Fate combo. Then shit started to hit the fan when they would both port in bottom for a gank and even with my teleport on Cho we couldn't stop them. Was wondering if there's any counters for that comp other to ban Shen every game. Guessing our bottom could have played safer/more wards or we should have started team fighting earlier.

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Step 1 is that your bot has to play safe and not open themselves up to it like zulst said.

Instead of using your port to join the fight, I'd just push like crazy. There were 4 bot, a tower had to be open and you have to make them pay. Use your port to give your team a leg up when you know at least one of them (shen/tf) can't join the fight.

A little unrelated, but nothing makes me more angry than a mid who only starts to move bot after their mid has already made it there.

WhatsAmmataU_sl said:

Step 1 is that your bot has to play safe and not open themselves up to it like zulst said.

Instead of using your port to join the fight, I'd just push like crazy. There were 4 bot, a tower had to be open and you have to make them pay. Use your port to give your team a leg up when you know at least one of them (shen/tf) can't join the fight.

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Basically this. Everytime there are 4 enemies bottom you should easily be able to take Top or Mid Tower, take enemy blue/red/jungle. Roam top and 2 or 3 man dive the lone guy top. etc etc.

Plus you should also spend the next couple of minutes trying to force teamfights. Shen and TF ult Cooldowns are both fairly long and you're teamfight should be a lot stronger, especially since their team comp seems to rely upon split pushing. Then again it's probably pretty hard for your team to engage them unless your warwick flash + ults someone. They have a lot of poke and good disengage with Sona + TF stuns/slows.

Lastly, your team comp. Cho mid is alright, although he can't really punish the enemy mid because he's much more of a farming champion, but TF is really good at that as well, which will allow him to clear his wave then roam. Might have been better to pick someone that can gib TF in mid lane and make him pay for leaving. Ahri, Kassadin, Diana, etc etc. Also, I hate that warwick pick, if you had something like Maokai or Amumu that have a hard engage it might have been better for you guys. (Amumu + MF is pretty broken, Press R win teamfight)

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Also that farm. 203 on TF to your 106? Every other lane was somewhat close to each other but yours is waaaay off.

Yeah, everyone else covered it pretty well.

Anytime you play against a Shen or Twisted Fate you have to pick with that in mind. A top with teleport would have been ideal with a mid who can clear well(which yours can, but it sounds like you played this part incorrectly and tried to teleport after them and turn the fights). You should have been pushing mid towers when Twisted Fate used his destiny/gate to go somewhere else so that when they get gold for the kills they lose a tower or health on their tower until you can push those towers down and get the global gold. Janna would have been the ideal support vs a Shen or Twisted Fate(especially the combo) because her ult negates their initiation. Several things you can improve on to counter it effectively without having to resort to banning Shen, but if you consistently have trouble with this combination then using a ban on him wouldn't be a bad idea.

I think some people misunderstood me.. I don't think teemo is amazing, but I was first pick and forced into top with 2 of my best top champs banned. It was a relatively safe pick, since most people at my lvl are going to play their favorite champ, not try to counterpick someone and teemo counters pretty much every good melee top champion. Sure enough, they sent olaf against me and I wrecked him.

Teemo is not better/worse at split pushing then Shen, he's just different. He clears the waves faster and if properly setup, he'll see all the team coming to get him. If you just send one person to chase teemo out, he'll definitely get away and the other guy may die even. You can send one against shen and stop his push or force him out at least. You have to send 2-3 if you want to really get teemo out of there, but he's not nearly as useful in a team fight. Yes, Shen is a better champion overall, hence why he's banned, but teemo takes more map pressure away from other lanes and neuters most top laners (which helps make up for him being worse in team fights since the other top is as well, generally speaking).

The only thing I should have done differently, was push the lane harder, earlier. There was two times I killed olaf and was at 10-20% health and backed off. I should have just pushed tower more since I had two shrooms in river, one in tribush and another just above tribush. If I had gotten that tower a minute or so earlier, I'd have brought the jungler and mid laner to my lane even more, and it was about 2 mins after I got the first tower that their mid lane and jungler really snowballed off our derpy bottom lane.

Once I got the 2nd tower, I had planned to start shrooming near mid lane, and then swapping between their top inhib turret and mid lane towers, forcing them to stay in base and taking control of their red buff.. I just got to that a little too late I think. Plus, once the talon started bitching at me, part of me started second guessing myself and reacting to their idiotic plays rather then keeping the pressure up. Figured I might be able to come own the other team since I had highest CS in game (150ish to 120 at 20-21 mins) and was 5/1/1, but they had too much burst, mobility and CC (akali, amumu, olaf, pantheon, corki) for me to kite them.

I've always noticed once one team starts reacting to what the other is doing, rather then proactively taking objectives, they tend to lose. People just don't react quick enough or think 10 seconds ahead. Like, they wait till a huge wave is ON the tower to head that way, and most of the wave is dead to turret by the time they get there. Or, there's 3 champs there as well, they start pinging for everyone to defend and turret is dead 5 seconds before anyone gets there so everyone wasted time running there rather then pushing the lane we were in as a group of 5.

Anyone here try building fiddlesticks as a tank? I kinda wanna try going zonya's (now that its way easier to get), into sunfire, then abyssal. It would give a ton of armor and some mr, and my aura would reduce enemy mr by 30. It could probably still do good dmg with merc treads. Would be fun to try top lane.

Tortfeasor_sl said:

Anyone here try building fiddlesticks as a tank? I kinda wanna try going zonya's (now that its way easier to get), into sunfire, then abyssal. It would give a ton of armor and some mr, and my aura would reduce enemy mr by 30. It could probably still do good dmg with merc treads. Would be fun to try top lane.

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Thats actually the most effective way to play him and has been for a long time. Although the build order is usually abyssal > Sunfire > Zhonya's. The early MR shred on top of the aura is lethal. Although with the wristguard Zhonya before Sunfire could be the way to go. Something like early wrist guard > abyssals > giants belt > finish Zhonya > finish sunfire.