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If you're actually still just working on last hitting you can easily pick up Caitlyn. She's got the longest attack range of all the ADC's which means you are pretty safe in the lane. Honestly, since you're new I suggest you just play the ADCs that are free for the week. Almost all of them work out fine and will let you learn the basics of the game. I mean, this coming week has Ashe and Caitlyn as the two free ADCs so I suggest you just give those two a try and see how you like them.

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Hell, I think the first two ADCs I started playing were Ashe followed by Caitlyn.
 
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Sidian_sl said:
If you're actually still just working on last hitting you can easily pick up Caitlyn. She's got the longest attack range of all the ADC's which means you are pretty safe in the lane. Honestly, since you're new I suggest you just play the ADCs that are free for the week. Almost all of them work out fine and will let you learn the basics of the game. I mean, this coming week has Ashe and Caitlyn as the two free ADCs so I suggest you just give those two a try and see how you like them.

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Hell, I think the first two ADCs I started playing were Ashe followed by Caitlyn.
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Yeah I just checked this weeks roster and noticed that, was about to ask about Caitlyn.

Am sure if I find it scratches my competitive itch that I'll drop some cash on a few characters but the free roster should let me get some decent experience first by the sounds of it
 
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Ok. So I've been trying Diana and I find I have no idea what to do with her. I play a very good Elise, and I tend to jungle, but apparently I am completely stumped at a melee assassin and get destroyed.

My older characters were Evelynn and Katarina, but the last time I played Eve hardcore was when she had normal invis and stunned when coming out of it.

If anyone wants to toss me their info in PMs and then lead me into the promised land of LoL awesomeness, feel free to do so.

I'm 30 but haven't started ranked, since I just got back into playing more often. Like I said, normally play Elise/Eve mid, or jungle Udyr/Warwick, though I miss the fuck out of innervating locket.
 
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People really underestimate yis potential both early and late game. He's extremely good against a lot of typical chars, especially a lot of unusual counterpick tops. He's exceptionally good vs elise in lane, beats most aps, beats ap trynd/teemo rather easily (Meditate + randuin is pretty lol trick). Ive decided to see how far I can get playing mostly yi in ranked, and so far ive made it just short of 1800 elo or so, and I'm still consistently winning most of my games. Even when yi has some trouble in lane, his ability to just farm and force your lane to stay there due to his extremely strong push makes it so i can pretty much always recover, even when ive been counter picked. I've played him in many games where the enemy team stacks cc, and very frequently am forced to lane vs chogath, and have discovered that with a proper build, the idea that yi is vulnerable to cc heavy teams seems to be relatively unfounded.

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Funny you mention this Furry, i've been duo queueing with a friend who pretty much strictly plays AP Yi whenever possible, and i've gotten to Gold 3 so far and he's about to get to Gold 5. I usually end up using jungle vi/shen, AP yi is so ridiculous i'm honestly surprised riot hasn't nerf'd it more. But i'm fine with it being kind of overlooked a bit still.

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Friend is trying to get me in to this and I'm interested in it as a long-term competitive game that I can get invested in if I enjoy it but having spent like no time playing MOBA's I'm just wondering which character would be the best as a learner carry (bottom lane if it matters)? I'm seeing some talk of Miss Fortune here, and he suggested it as well, but I also see a lot of people recommend Ashe.
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Graves/MF are both solid choices, the only drawback to playing Graves for me personally, is his auto attack range is a little short. He does make up for it in his kit though with a dash and a huge burst potential. I play a lot of Ashe ADC when i have to, it's challenging to position well early on, but late game she's such a menace. You can kite for days if you're good at orb walking (as in attack moving constantly to keep people slowed with ice arrows) and her volley has such a low cool down. Lot of fun. I would experiment with a few ADCarry's and see which you like to play, just about all of them are viable to some extent. Like was already mentioned, Caitlyn is also a great ADC to pick up and learn the game with, she's very safe with her crazy far auto attack range, defensive traps, and slow/escape mechanism.
 
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AP Yi makes me rage. Hardcore. So annoying.

I'm more surprised tank Elise hasn't been looked at. The fact that she is still fucking painful even when I am rolling with nothing but defensive items is hilarious.

These days I always feel like a tool if I pick an older champ. Ashe was one of my favorites; relatively easy to play but no escapes, but if you can last hit and dodge other champs abilities you are relatively golden and she will just hunt everyone down. Karthus was another favorite, but lately since I'm just getting back into it, I feel like I can't hang with champs who cannot build tanky and still be viable.

I try to play every night now to get back into the feel of things, but my former pre-made friends have all moved on and built new teams for ranked, so I was left behind. QQ.

I should really buy Caitlyn; I could probably get used to ADC again with her.
 
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Best ADC for "Learning & Solo Queue" is Tristana.. insane range, steroid boost, and TWO escapes : Jump & Knockback.
She has no burst (like graves) or utility (cait traps, ashe ult), but for mobility & dps there's no one better.

I still don't understand why people pick Ez over Trist (probably due to the kiting potential of ez & his ult doing dmg).
But if you want "safest & highest dps ADC" Tristana is the best pick.
 
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Knytestorme_sl said:
Friend is trying to get me in to this and I'm interested in it as a long-term competitive game that I can get invested in if I enjoy it but having spent like no time playing MOBA's I'm just wondering which character would be the best as a learner carry (bottom lane if it matters)? I'm seeing some talk of Miss Fortune here, and he suggested it as well, but I also see a lot of people recommend Ashe.
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When you are learning the game just play the free champs. If you want to stick to the absolute simplest champs there is a "difficulty" slider displayed on each champ. It's imperfect, but it's a better indicator than random picking.
 
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Doublift (ADC for CLG) talked about the AD carry role on Gamespot:http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-le...neric_comments

Summary of the interview:
Caitlyn is OP and will probably get nerfed soon.
Ezreal, Twitch and Graves are popular at pro level but Doublelift doesn't like them.
Ashe, Varus & Draven are garbage - they get crapped on due to no escapes.
Vayne & Kog Maw are OP in the new meta. (% based damage OP)
MF is only useful for Ultimate, very popular but Doublelift doesn't like her.
He predicts ADC/Support will become extinct and it will be Double-Bruiser bottom in future.



This is a funny thread on the LoL forums about Ashe. I play Ashe when not playing MF, I think Ashe CAN be good, but she does suffer in a lot of ways.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=3144872
 
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Would any of you be interested in getting a casual 5-team going? I usually Mid, but I'm also decent at Jungle and Support.
 
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Fawe_sl said:
Doublift (ADC for CLG) talked about the AD carry role on Gamespot:http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-le...neric_comments

Summary of the interview:
Caitlyn is OP and will probably get nerfed soon.
Ezreal, Twitch and Graves are popular at pro level but Doublelift doesn't like them.
Ashe, Varus & Draven are garbage - they get crapped on due to no escapes.
Vayne & Kog Maw are OP in the new meta. (% based damage OP)
MF is only useful for Ultimate, very popular but Doublelift doesn't like her.
He predicts ADC/Support will become extinct and it will be Double-Bruiser bottom in future.



This is a funny thread on the LoL forums about Ashe. I play Ashe when not playing MF, I think Ashe CAN be good, but she does suffer in a lot of ways.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=3144872
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So his basic argument is that he doesn't like any ADC's? Double bot bruiser could work, but then we'd switch bot meta from Ranged/Aggressive back to Ranged ADC/Sustain Support and they would get their shit pushed in.
 
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The Ancient_sl said:
So his basic argument is that he doesn't like any ADC's? Double bot bruiser could work, but then we'd switch bot meta from Ranged/Aggressive back to Ranged ADC/Sustain Support and they would get their shit pushed in.
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Don't know about that. I've seen some wicked CC-heavy comps (think AP Sion / J4) that dominate bottom lane in Gold I matches. Seen a bit of it in the Challenger matches too, albeit mostly stuff like Ryze / Fid or Panth / J4.
 
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Sometimes comps work because you are throwing someone off their game which they don't anticipate. Also the difference between a sustain support and an aggressive support matters, I'm not sure which it was in the match-ups your cited. He could be right, but maybe if you see double bruiser you just pick double ranged and rock them, I don't know. I do know what he sounds like though, and that's an ADC player whining about his "class".
 
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Sometimes comps work because you are throwing someone off their game which they don't anticipate. Also the difference between a sustain support and an aggressive support matters, I'm not sure which it was in the match-ups your cited. He could be right, but maybe if you see double bruiser you just pick double ranged and rock them, I don't know. I do know what he sounds like though, and that's an ADC player whining about his "class".
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His arguments have some merit, bruisers are just very strong atm. They all have gap closers and cc which make your ranged argument invalid.
 
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Everything he's saying is true. The only reason that Hard Carries have survived in Dota is because of BKB.
 
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Some of them have gap closers, most of them have some form of CC. That doesn't invalidate a ranged argument. Why is a champ like Teemo considered a good counter to some of the most popular top picks?
 
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The Ancient_sl said:
Some of them have gap closers, most of them have some form of CC. That doesn't invalidate a ranged argument. Why is a champ like Teemo considered a good counter to some of the most popular top picks?
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That's a poor argument. AP champs are ranged too, why aren't they top? It's all about the kit. Teemo is built to annoy most champs. While teemo is ranged, he isn't very popular as an ADC, either. His kit just works better at top lane. Most of the ADC champs lack mobility or cc, both of which teemo have.
 
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That's a poor argument. AP champs are ranged too, why aren't they top? It's all about the kit. Teemo is built to annoy most champs. While teemo is ranged, he isn't very popular as an ADC, either. His kit just works better at top lane. Most of the ADC champs lack mobility or cc, both of which teemo have.
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Wait, what? As many ADCs have escapes as bruisers have gap closers.

Bruisers are strong right now, there is no question about that. That doesn't mean you can just field 5 bruisers and win the game.

His argument is also dumb because he discounts any champ that he considers is an "ulti". 1st, those champs aren't exactly 1 trick ponies, they will still fulfill their role as DPS. 2nd if your ultimate can dictate map position on team fights, that can be a game changer. Are you gonna tell me Amumu is a shit champ because he's pretty much all "ulti"?
 
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It's mainly a health issue for the whole Bruisers vs ADCs bottom lane. Especially when you look at the early / mid game. Warmogs is only what 2880 (iirc?) where as blood thirster is 3200. You get 1k health for warmogs and 100 atk dmg from bt (fully stacked). That's still 10 attacks from the BT to get through the warmogs. So basically as a single item, mogs is much better then bt. Then after mogs, say you pick up Locket which is only 2k gold. Then you look at the ADC equvilant items for 2k and there aren't any good ones. Even Last Whisper, 2340g for 40dmg & 35% arp, seems fairly shitty for an item when you look at the cost of it.

Yeah, once you have 6 item you're set and usually just crush through anything...but honestly 6 item is a good 50 minutes into the game. 50 minutes of bruisers being better for the most part.

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Don't get me wrong though, I still feel an ADC has a place in the team. I know double bruiser can work bottom but I do think it's still much better to have an ADC in your bot lane.
 
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Well his argument as well was that every single ADC item got nerfed. Combine this with the new stack health meta and the low cost of attack speed reduction items (which murder ADCs) and an equal farm/items bruiser will usually be able to dive an ADC and drop them in seconds unless they have an escape. Like someone mentioned above he specifically stated in the interview he absolutely hates playing his role right now. He makes some interesting points and I do agree with some things, but I always get the feeling he is trolling, for some reason I can never take him seriously.
 
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The best part about those comments was DL talking about how Draven was trash and not even 24 hours later QTpie thrashed them with Draven. Including a 2v4 with Draven/Kayle coming out on top twice. Scarra having the post game interview and talking about how Draven was an absolute must have for carrying that game. DL is pissed off because he plays shit ADCs like Urgot and he has to try and carry throwshotGG and mid link who is a great laner while being an absolute horrible team fighting AP mid.

Now this isn't to say ADCs aren't on the weak side at the moment but you get an adc who fits their team comp and is running a BT/PD/IE/Mogs build like QTpie/MashMe/Zuna and they can do work.
 
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