League Of Legends

The Ancient_sl · Jul 10, 2013

Draegan_sl said:
I played two Riven games last night. Man I sucked. Fucking spider bitch.

Had one of my friends who isn't 30 yet playing a game with me last night and he picked up Riven at another friends request to learn the character. Sucked complete ass with her. When I was going over the finer points of Riven with him after the match one of his responses was "I can hit Q more than once?!"

Draegan_sl · Jul 10, 2013

Hah. Yeah I know her basic moves, but my muscle memory isn't there, and the combos aren't perfect. That, and I didn't time her W/E AA Q AA Q AA Q routine down.

Also my first game was against a Shen who stacked armor against me early and I didn't go for Brut first and went vamp instead which was a mistake. My other problem was that I didn't realize the ranged on my Q was much shorter than I thought it was.

I would need to get used to when to trade with her too.

My second game was a disaster from the start and was pretty much a 3v5 and I lost two early trades with my opponent and going 0-2 pretty early. It came down to each of us having a sliver of health life and me losing each time by a milisecond.

Ravishing · Jul 10, 2013

Riven is all about mechanics for sure, I have only been good with her for a short stretch in S2, if I play her now I end up sucking hard due to being so rusty on the mechanics. Once you get good with her she is a beast. Good riven players are hard to come by and if riven falls behind early it becomes very difficult to catch back up. Very unforgiving champ. Very fun to play, though.

Tortfeasor · Jul 10, 2013

Side note: Riven becomes much more forgiving if you work alot of CDR into her build along with AD. Personally, I like BT/Hydra (core) + Brutalizer + Spirit Visage. Having that shield on a 3 or 4 second timer is op.

Sidian · Jul 10, 2013

Tortfeasor_sl said:
Side note: Riven becomes much more forgiving if you work alot of CDR into her build along with AD. Personally, I like BT/Hydra (core) + Brutalizer + Spirit Visage. Having that shield on a 3 or 4 second timer is op.

Pshhhhhhhh BT/LW/GA/BT/BT/BT

Maaaaybe get CDR boots if you really want, but riven doesn't need boots! More BTS yo.

zombiewizardhawk · Jul 10, 2013

Fawe_sl said:
RE: Wizardhawk.
Looking over your lolking stats, just a few remarks:

For the most part youseemto be doing "well" (but in reality, you likely belong where you are).

Your KDAs aren't too bad really. It definitely looks like bronze level stuff when glancing over the KDAs for all your champs played, why I say this is because you have a ton of different champs played for only a few games each but have insane amount of kills+assist. You would not see such high numbers against better opponents. Mastering champs is necessary at higher levels. This shows that probably most of your games are clusterfucks with high amounts of kills+deaths involved. Probably very little structure going on in game.

To combat this you may want to focus on champions that can win games early on their own. You seem to play AP mid a lot. From my experience this lane requires more teamwork to win then if you were a top-lane or ADC. APs take structures very slowly, mid lane is the hardest lane to take early, and roaming around the map to help other lanes would require your team to be semi-competent too.

Your goal should be to focus on structures & objectives and end the game as quickly as possible. The longer the game goes, the lower chance of victory for your team. Show no mercy, dominate them, be aggressive.

Consider focusing on Top, ADC or Jungle --

As a top laner you can sit in lane and continually push, focus on turrets & inhibs. At bronze level you can go with near anyone and do this, you just have to win your lane. Play champions that suit your play style. Some common split pushers would be Tryndamere, Aatrox, Shen, Teemo & Singed but for a more balanced champ pool you might want to consider Jayce, Elise, Renekton, Jax and Darius, too.

ADC are meant to win games on their own, its why they are a "carry". In Late game you are the key to winning team fights, you burst structures down faster than anyone. In Bronze you should be able to dominate the enemy ADC. Supports normally carry bottom lane but if you are a good ADC in Bronze you can absolutely destroy them. The bonus with being an ADC is that you can get double kills easily in Bronze since you will be fighting a bad Support & ADC. Whenever I would get super-fed I would just keep pushing with my support. I've had so many games where the enemy ADC and/or Support would rage quit because I'd start 5-0 or something in the first 10 mins. The reason I've migrated from ADC is that higher ranked games become much harder and Supports actually carry the lane. It's a real gamble trying to get competent supports that have synergy with your play style. Most bronze players don't even like to support so you can easily take advantage of this and farm them for gold.

Jungler can win games by counter jungling. You mentioned that you never counter jungle, you play passive. Fuck that. ALWAYS counter jungle at lower Elo. Nobody wards at bronze so there is no risk. Even in Gold I rarely ever NOT counter Jungle, it depends on the champ, too. Stealing buffs will get you ahead super far. If you manage to kill the enemy jungler while they are doing red, you've just gained a 2 level advantage on their jungler, plus denied their blue buff, plus made all your lanes safer due to less jungle presence. You can counter jungle many ways, there is the super-aggressive approach where you wait at their red until enemy is fighting it, let them get low health, then smite-steal red and proceed to killing them, this royally fucks them. There is the typical approach which is to just run over and steal their red asap then gank top or mid right after, thus denying them the buff but they still keep their life. Never be passive if you want to win. If you counter jungle effectively you've then made the game a 5v4 and it becomes so easy to win.

As I said originally, you have tons of champions played with very little games played on any of them. I see like 8 games played at the most on some champs. This is pitiful tbh. You haven't gained a decent amount of knowledge with any of them. 8 games is practically an introduction. You've hardly experienced many different matchups, you probably lack the mechanics to execute skills properly & efficiently. Once you master a champion the mechanics should be 2nd nature, you just execute things without thinking about it. One such example from my own play is with MF, I have over 500 games played with her. The AA-->Q-->AA combo is a mechanic that is necessary to know and I execute it damn near every time I use my Q. The burst damage catches so many players off-guard because they aren't expecting to take 3 hits in such quick succession. When I started LoL I didn't even know what "resetting Autoattacks" meant, and then learning MF and how to play ADC in general took precedence before I even figured this mechanic out. Skills reset autoattacks on many champions and the timing is slightly different on all of them, it takes a bit of playing to get a grasp for the animations and autoattacks. There is a lot of nitty-gritty shit that would give the edge to really dominate opponents. Much of it revolves around timings, animations, etc. Another mechanic is Run-->AA-->Run, for kiting purposes or last hitting. You want to execute this in quick succession to keep maximum distance, you can use Attack Move (Shift+Right Click) or you can just click like normal but one thing to note is that you can easily cancel your auto attack if you click to move again too early. This could lead to missing last hits or even allowing an enemy to avoid death. Knowing the auto-attack animation timings are key for avoiding this. TL;DR: Focus on 1 champion first, play at least 50 games with that champion, maybe more if you are progressing well, then add another to the arsenal. I have over 500 games with MF, over 200 games with Akali, ~80 with Kha Zix, ~70 with Diana, and a bunch of champs with ~50 games played.

Stop being stubborn. Take Flash. You are not "special". There isn't something you know that other players don't. Ghost only goes so far. Flash is better in the majority of instances. There are some champions you do take Ghost: Mostly bruisers & top laners (Tryn/Aatrox/Olaf/Singed) sometimes junglers (Hecarim/Shyvana), but most of the time you take Flash. Ghost is great if you are a champion that can already bypass walls, all of the above champions can (except Olaf & Singed). If you can't bypass walls, you take flash. If you are a squishy target, you take flash. It's just that simple. Learn it, love it, stop being stubborn. Do not take Ghost AND Flash, that's just stupid. Either take ignite, barrier or cleanse as your other summoner spell.

You are bad. You probably deserve to be in Bronze. It is clear you have no dedication to the game, you play ranked like it is normals. You want to win, but you don't take steps to help you win. You pick whatever champ fancies you at the time. 170 ranked games is respectable but you have at most, 8 games played with any individual champion. Your mechanics are going to be very bad. You are also stubborn and you seem to think you know more than anyone else. You definitely aren't a gold level player. You could probably succeed in the lower Silver tiers, your stats aren't terrible but mainly because you play bronze games that go to late game practically every time. Clearly you do not know what objectives are. There is a ton for you to learn. Less arrogance is key.

That's a long post to respond to.

I've already admitted that I play lots of different champions and that maybe I should stick with 1 or 2.

As far as kdr: I don't give up on games when I get 2 afks or 2 feeders or a team who refuses to surrender when the score is 22 to 1 at 20 minutes which leads to the score ending up 49 to 3 instead because the enemy team is having so much fun just raping us or when i'm 0/9/7 on support in a losing game. KDR is a fairly meaningless stat because anybody can play like total shit and be an asshole just to boost it up and seem better even though they could be costing their teams games. I believe i've also said in almost every single post i've made that the games are, in fact, almost all absolute slaughters one way or the other where one person can't make a difference etc.

As far as mechanics on champions, you are aware I've played 2000+ normal games on top of the ranked? It's not like I decided to unlock gangplank and start using him in ranked while never having seen him before. Once again, tho, I already admitted that you guys are right and maybe I should stick to just a couple. As far as ghost vs flash, when I stop being able to successfully use ghost in games then i'll consider going back to flash. Maybe it holds me back but I can't think of many games where we could've turned it around and won if only I had flash and not ghost (I almost never get stuck in a situation where my only play is to jump a wall).

As far as jungle: I never once said I don't counter jungle. I said i've never really started with smiteless red+blue for a slightly faster gank. It's ok though, it makes me look worse when you make assumptions about how I play.

As far as adc+support: I've won plenty of games as adc where we go 9/0 combined on the bot lane against the enemy team and I get massive ck leads etc, whether i'm doing the supporting or the carrying. I've also lost plenty where we end up 0/9 on the bottom. Ties back in to that 80-90% of games that are routes.

I try not to top unless I have to just because i'm missing some of the newer more annoying top laners (jayce, elise, zac, wukong, darius, kha'zix etc) and don't like to lane against them.

As far as variety: The only 2 champs you've focused on are MF and akali, other than that you admit that your champ selections look pretty much just like mine except with higher numbers. I'm sure if I had 1600+ ranked i'd have ~50+ with a bunch of champs too. Crazy how that works. This section was also filled with a bunch of more assumptions that I don't understand how things like resetting auto attacks work or how to kite. It's ok though, you're right. You're capable of playing a wide selection of champs at gold and i'm just a shitstained bronze noob who should wear a helmet constantly.

I like how you add in less arrogance being key at the end tho. Must be nice up on that high horse. Oh wait, you got placed in silver 1 and spent 1600 games to get to gold 4. I bow to your superiority. I'll start saving every replay and when I get 20 or 30 of them that are total slaughters and should be over at 25 minutes but get drug on to 45+ minutes due to one team or the other refusing to end it, i'll send it to you. Then you can point out all the parts where I have no clue what objectives are since clearly I just like to sit in a losing game dying for 30 minutes longer than I should.

Edit:

You're still free to link me some kind of proof of anyone besides high diamond/challenger/pros climbing out of bronze on a real bronze account in a short amount of games.

Commander Vimeseh_sl · Jul 10, 2013

I can't link you anything but Im definetly not Diamond/Challenger and I spent ~40 games climbing from Div 4 Bronze to silver. Thats a pretty short amount considering I had to play nine games just for advancing between tiers and from bronze 1 to silver 5. So roughly thirty non promo games between four tiers?

It really highlights just how big the skill disparity is between brackets. I didn't run in to games I couldn't carry easily until I hit silver 1 which I was stuck at for months. I lost so many promos while winning a lot of non promos that my average games was playing with golds and a decent smattering of plat 5 scrubs that had crappy mmr for their ranking.

Plaid_sl · Jul 10, 2013

I don't get how anyone below diamond feels like they're good at this game. I'm nearing 1800 elo and I feel like I barely know anything most of the time. I suck and so do you.

Ravishing · Jul 10, 2013

Wizardhawk_sl said:
That's a long post to respond to.

You're pretty hopeless, but since I'm bored at work responding to you gives me something to do.

KDA Discussion:
One of the first things I said was that your KDAs actually are NOT that bad... reading comprehension ftw. But I also said that it is because you continuously go to late game which is easy to see when you have averages of 12+kills and 12+ assists on multiple champions. One thing that I was told a while ago was that having a KDA (Formula: (K+A)/D) of 3 or greater means you are doing pretty damn well. I kinda suck actually and most of mine are in the 2s. I have only a couple champions that are 3+. These averages tend to work themselves down when you play a ton of games, though.

Doing some quick math on your stats, all your games played combined, your KDA is 3.4, which is great! In fact you have 35 champions with a KDA of 3 or greater. Only 32 with a KDA of under 3. This means you are actually winning your lane and participating in team fights most of the time. You SHOULD be winning most of your games with these numbers, but you are not. This means too many games are going to late game OR you don't know how to carry OR you don't focus objectives OR a combination of all 3. Take the trolling & AFKrs and bullshit out of the equation, everyone gets those, you will also benefit from them being on the opposing team, you should still win most of your games.

For your information, here are your current champ KDAs ordered best to worst:

As you mentioned, you agree focusing on a couple champs is probably a good idea, so I won't get into this too much other than to say that 2k Normal games doesn't mean too much if you spread them across every champion. That's only 20 games per champion and you really need to grind out many games in a row with the same champ to hone your mechanics. Swapping champs makes it so you never develop good muscle memory for abilities and timings.

Summoner Spells Discussion:
Ghost vs Flash: Now you're being stubborn. How will you ever know if Ghost is holding you back if you refuse to try the alternatives? Apparently the majority of the LoL community must be doing it wrong. Get in line and follow protocol or else you are just hurting yourself. Sure, you might be winning your lanes and have pretty good KDA *right now*, so why bother changing, amirite? Better to learn the standard shit now so you can actually compete later on. Flash is so much better at securing kills then ghost and flash allows you many other escape options that ghost would never allow. Stop being stubborn.

Also, Clarity? Really? You just want to be different, right? Stubbornness gets you nowhere. Take ignite or barrier or teleport. Don't be dumb. Why would you ever consider Ghost+Clarity on Kassadin, it doesn't even make sense. Sure, he is mana starved at first, but you cripple yourself later on. Teleport or Ignite is so much stronger. Also, Ghost does nothing on him, yes, his Ult is like a Flash, so why bother "wasting" a summoner on Flash, right? Well, Flash allows you so many more possibilities like using Flash+R to instantly jump 1/2 a screen away and nuke the shit out of somebody. What reason is there to run Ghost at all? Kass doesn't need to walk faster. If you are avoiding Flash due to his R then you may as well not take ghost either. Logic.

Jungling Discussion:
You kinda did say you don't counterjungle, at least this is what I read:

Wizardhawk_sl said:
I don't do smiteless red/blue just because i've always done blue/wolves/wraiths/red/gank. It's what i'm used to and comfortable with. I don't jungle very often tho.

What assumptions have I made here? You say you play passive and basically clear your entire jungle side before even THINKING about ganking. I was telling you to be more aggressive and fuck them up sooner. Playing it this way means the enemy jungler will also be level 3-4 and gank and you haven't prevented anything whereas counter jungling early can really set him behind and keep your lanes safer for longer.

Insults @ Me:
Take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm just trying to point out some things based on the numbers and what you've said. I am in no way perfect or even good or great at this game, there is plenty for me to learn and improve on. I only have 285 normal games played btw which is what it took for me to get level 30. Basically I have only played Ranked games since then. I had to grow and learn a LOT. While you played 2k games in normals, I have my 2k games in ranked, not much difference really except I happen to be gold and am continuing to go up. You can say it took me over 1500 games to get out of Silver but might want to hold the insults until you are actually beyond Silver yourself.

A couple of my known weaknesses are: 1) I can lose patience at times which leads to bad decisions, I constantly remind myself to wait for the opportune moments and don't force fights. 2) I can lose focus in team fights, I believe it relates to lacking patience, being patient & calm allows me to keep focused. If I go into a fight sometimes I develop rage or tunnel vision which means I'm not allowing the fight to develop and am trying to force things. Sometimes its best to reset, step back, let things settle, go back in, etc.

I have focus'd MF and Akali yes, but I currently do not, as the meta shifts I tend to pickup new FOTMs. I basically stick with 3-4 champs as long as possible. Right now its Tryn/Aatrox/Nunu/Udyr/MF/Akali. Basically I only ever want to Top or Jungle but I have MF and Akali for Bot/Mid if necessary (I also take Aatrox mid if we get AP top), I also don't support often but seem to do well with Nami and Janna. I have 56 games with Tryn, 50 with Nunu, 44 with Aatrox, and 22 with Udyr. I use Gambit's motto: Play what's broken. In the recent past I was specializing in Volibear & Nasus. (Udyr wouldnt be considered broken but I just like him and played him a shit-load in S2, so because of the new skin I wanted to pick him back up)

Sometimes things work, sometimes not. I have some champs that I was trying to get good at but just failed. My Elise record is horrid, even though she is OP I just suck with her (3-12), I also wanted Quinn to work really badly when she came out, I liked her but just couldn't secure victories, I'm 8-18 with Quinn. Quinn single-handily took me from Silver I to Silver IV. See, I can be stubborn too... But I gave it a fair shot, realized it just wasn't working and likely got back up with MF or Akali or Kha Zix or another OP champ at the time. Point is, I tend to play a very limited champ pool but overtime the selection changes.

Commander Vimeseh_sl · Jul 10, 2013

Plaid_sl said:
I don't get how anyone below diamond feels like they're good at this game. I'm nearing 1800 elo and I feel like I barely know anything most of the time. I suck and so do you.

Good is relative. Being gold + puts you in the top 5% or so of all players. So yah in a general sense we are good. In a comparative sense with like Korean pros we suck so bad we shouldn't even play.

Enzee · Jul 10, 2013

Wizardhawk_sl said:
I don't do smiteless red/blue just because i've always done blue/wolves/wraiths/red/gank. It's what i'm used to and comfortable with. I don't jungle very often tho.

As Fawe said, this is a huge mistake. Doing what you are 'comfortable' with when people are telling you there is a better way to do it, while simultaneously bitching about the slow grind out of bronze is exactly your problem.
Those games that are slaughters, how often was it from the enemy jungler helping a lane, or two, get an early kill to snowball? Ganking that jungler and setting him back, so that YOU are the one helping to snowball your lanes can turn some of those slaughters around quickly.

The one sided matches are decided in the first 2-3 kills, because people at lower levels play worse when they get discouraged or raged at. Someone in another lane sees a noticce that the enemy bot lane get a double kill, he just starts assuming his bot duo is bad without having watched how it happens. Maybe they were going to get their own double kill, but got baited near tower when enemy jungler showed up to turn it around.

On the same token, when you can get an early kill on your lane opponent, especially first blood, it gives your team renewed hope and confidence. There's rarely close games at bronze levels, because no one is good enough to adapt their playstyle to being even a bit behind. Most play as if they are even or ahead at all times, until it's massively too late.

The way all those challenger/diamond/pro guys carry themselves out of those tiers so quickly is by completely smashing their lane opponent, or at least staying ahead in CS through the early game, then making plays for the team (towers, dragons, ganks, teamfights, etc..). Most of them go practically undefeated in their matches through bronze and silver, even on no-name smurfs when the players aren't aware who they are. Yes, those guys are massively better, but you'd think at some point they'd get 2-3 feeders on their team and just lose, but they rarely do.

lindz · Jul 10, 2013

Honestly at this point I think Wizardhawk is just trolling everyone here. He has pages and pages of extremely helpful advice and well written discussion but continues insisting that he is good and it is more often than not, bad luck.

If you aren't trolling - listen and learn to get better. If you have played 2200 matches and are still insisting on things like ghost/clarity on Cassio, or clarity on Singed with DFG then you truly know nothing about this game and will not get better. Mechanical skill is not good enough. You need to understand objectives, proper summoners and how to use them, item builds, etc.

Don't dismiss people who know more than you. There is a reason they are doing what they are doing and if they have more games played at those champs and have more success, then they are doing something right.

Arbitrary · Jul 10, 2013

I personally hate having to give smiteless anything because depending on what side you are on and what buff the jungler is starting at a lane can miss out on as many as three CS, get beaten to level 2, and crushed in an immediate all-in by the enemy. I don't want to have to be behind in my lane because of happenstance. League can snowball super, super hard and having the Draven/Thresh lane beat you to two and mash all their buttons sucks a big pile of dick.

But on the other hand the jungler is now so constrained that they absolutely have to go from one buff to another. Everyone and their brother is trying to pull shenanigans in the jungle, level 2 buff invades, etc. so you better knock those out immediately. If you do something like blue, wolves, wraiths, red, the chances that the buff has been stolen are at least 50% right now. You are just so fucked if the enemy jungler gets to kill three buff camps to your one.

Personally I think the timers need to be tweaked. If the buff camps spawned at 1:50 and the rest of the jungle spawned at 1:55 it would fix that whole smiteless mess. The extra five seconds would be enough to mitigate the added cost of spending a ton of time helping the jungler while still making it costly for other lanes to take a neutral camp before going to lane.

Eidal · Jul 10, 2013

Arbitrary_sl said:
I personally hate having to give smiteless anything because depending on what side you are on and what buff the jungler is starting at a lane can miss out on as many as three CS, get beaten to level 2, and crushed in an immediate all-in by the enemy. I don't want to have to be behind in my lane because of happenstance.

I'd rather give smite-less then have my jungler lose red-buff to an aggressive counter-jungler. But it is pretty stupid how the current meta forces the blue side lane to miss CS just to keep the jungler even.

On a side note, I was intrigued by Fawe looking at Wizardhawks' recent games and decided to check his rune and mastery pages.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/372799#runes

I guess the question is what does Wizardhawk know that all the challenger/diamond players haven't learned yet...

Commander Vimeseh_sl · Jul 10, 2013

No need to be spectacularly harsh to Wizardhawk hah.

I think people kind of have the wrong idea about smiteless. You don't sit there autoing it down to like 15% life unless you have a character that really doesn't care about an enemy lane getting level 2 first. You take it to half, maybe 40% if your a solo then head to lane. If your jungle has to drink a couple of pots then thats fine. They'll be full health at red and with smite will take barely any damage. Of course if you are bot you can give them a bit more help since its two champs assisting. This is from a jungler by the way. Its okay if I go down to 30% health on golems, honest. If any other jungler (aside from rammus) tells you otherwise they are full of shit or runed/masteried wrong for that champ.

You'll know you gave too much of a leash if you fall behind in lane and your jungler still has 2-3 of their pots when they go back for their first buy.

Ravishing · Jul 10, 2013

Commander Vimeseh_sl said:
I think people kind of have the wrong idea about smiteless.

I agree with this. If I'm mid lane I usually throw 1 ability over the wall then walk to lane. If I'm top or bot I usually auto-attack 5x then walk to lane (I do actually count to 5).
As a jungler I am fine with it being at 50% or so. As Nunu I want everyone to back off before it gets to 600 health (now 500 with the consume change).

As mid lane I normally miss 0 , maybe 1, cs. As other lanes I might miss 1 but most of the time 0 cs.

zombiewizardhawk · Jul 10, 2013

Eidal_sl said:
I'd rather give smite-less then have my jungler lose red-buff to an aggressive counter-jungler. But it is pretty stupid how the current meta forces the blue side lane to miss CS just to keep the jungler even.

On a side note, I was intrigued by Fawe looking at Wizardhawks' recent games and decided to check his rune and mastery pages.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/372799#runes

I guess the question is what does Wizardhawk know that all the challenger/diamond players haven't learned yet...

Or I put my rune pages together before they had half the runes they do now a days and i've spent the vast majority of my IP to unlock champs (most of which came before they were even talking about season 1).

Where did I say I was a master of mechanics? Nowhere. You all like to hop in and assume I don't understand basic concepts like how to use moves with autoattacks or what objectives to the game are.

Vimeseh, you say it took you 9 games to get to your promo series. Now imagine losing 3 promo series in a row and all the games in between because during one set of promo games you had a jungle teemo who was level 3 when everyone else was 10+ and finished the game at lvl 8 or 9 and then after you play 6 or 7 games to get back to a promo series you get a duo running teleport + revive as the adc + jungle and both feeding. Games can really start to add up like that.

Edit:

I had a perfect game earlier to showcase instances of my team throwing but I didn't have replay open. We had the game crushed, winning like 38 to 15, had just finished pushing down 2nd inhib (mid and bot were gone for them). My team goes to try and get baron but the enemy janna wards and sees them right as they get started. Both teams gather, I just respawned and am running there. Enemy team was gathered up by their red, but no team fight takes place. Xin Zhao and Talon decide to, literally 5 seconds after the teams were both just posturing for a possible fight, go check their red. Surprise surprise when all 5 of them are there and our team gets demolished as everyone runs around scattered and getting picked off. Game still wasn't over, we had an easy defensive position. Team even says in chat "wait for nunu ult to initiate" (I was nunu support). Guess what my team does? Ashe and someone else decide to run up to the bushes by our wraith (which we had warded and so did the enemy) and gets picked apart by their whole team who she clearly saw sitting there. Team acts like chickens with heads cut off again, we lose 2 inhibs. Went from 38 to 15 score and ended 41 to 5x.

Enzee · Jul 10, 2013

Wizardhawk_sl said:
Or I put my rune pages together before they had half the runes they do now a days and i've spent the vast majority of my IP to unlock champs (most of which came before they were even talking about season 1).

God damn you are retarded. Use optimal runes to give yourself the best chance to smash a lane 6-0 and carry rest of team. Until you do, shut the fuck up about luck. You are horrible and deserve to be exactly where you are, with all of the morons you are complaining about, because you are one as well.

Commander Vimeseh_sl · Jul 10, 2013

Well I never worried about that stuff in bronze because I'm going 8-1-whatever pretty much every game and just solo pushing or winning my lane and the other solo as top or mid. I did lose some of those nine games in each bracket but when you're getting 20 something points a win takes only a 60% winrate to get to promos before you hit div 1 of a tier. Now granted this was before clamping was implemented as soon as you hit division 1 if your mmr wasn't quite up to snuff so I imagine it would be a little harder now. But thats how it is.

Oh fun times, I ran in to a diamond smurf in one of my games today. Dude just whitewashed me I was 0-3 by ten minutes and he just carried the game so hard. Thats how it is though, a gold player will do that to bronze players and a diamond will do it to golds. Silver and plat are kind of in between though it seems. I'm already in to gold 4 after spending months in silver 1.

Zolek · Jul 10, 2013

The great irony is that Wizardhawk is in fact the exact problem that he complains about. The matchmaking is working great, it is matching you with and against players just like you!

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