Lumi's Batshit Insane Thread

iannis · Feb 27, 2015

Oh, I see where he's getting it from though. A quick google search and there is apparently a nutter community involved in this.

Why An Alkaline Approach Can Successfully Treat Cancer | GreenMedInfo

And I see exactly the mistake that they're making. Changing diet in the face of a cancer diagnosis IS a good idea, but an alkaline diet != elevated blood pH. That's a case of not quite knowing enough to be dangerous.

hodj · Feb 27, 2015

Then why do ALL healthy people have an alkaline pH

Because a pH of 7 is the middle point, and human healthy pH is between 7.35 and 7.45 or some shit, which is so slightly alkaline that in chemistry we consider it essentially neutral. You would have to attack it with an extremely strong acid or base in order to alter it significantly.

You cannot make your body more alkaline, or less alkaline, than this range. If you somehow do manage to do it, through some trauma or illness, etc. then you will get very ill and very well may die without medical intervention. You know, all those evil profiteers who want to make money by killing their patients.

How's about you take that advice you've been given a few thousand times, go sign up for a basic college level chemistry course, and educate yourself on acidity and basicity instead of constantly appealing to 70 year old failed hypotheses of dead scientists?

Might be a good idea. Which is why you won't do it.

hodj · Feb 27, 2015

It doesn't matter what Louis Pasteur said. Appeal to authority fallacies and quote citing isn't an argument.

How's about you address, well, anything of relevance in my previous post, you intellectual coward?

iannis · Feb 27, 2015

I don't see anything offensive in that blog itself, but it would be very easy to misconstrue the information being presented and reach a dangerous, or reckless, or straight stupid, conclusion.

hodj · Feb 27, 2015

That entire blog is literally just spouting one demonstrably false opinion after another.

Claims that you can "raise cell pH levels above 7.5" safely, or at all, is outright bollocks bro.

If you did raise your cellular pH to levels higher than 7.5, it ain't gonna just be mitochondria that you're screwing up. That will have wide ranging impacts on protein synthesis and expression, enzyme formation and operation, etc.

They "poo poo" mainstream science saying "This is dangerous" but the fact is that alkalemia is an actual thing, and it will kill you if you get it.

iannis · Feb 27, 2015

You can go to 7.5. It ain't that hard. Hypoventillate for a while. But I wouldn't fucking recommend it!

Edit: I very much agree there's a lot of sketchyness in that blog. But nothing that's straight up offensive. It's just kinda fodder for dudes like lumie to be offensive with is all I meant. There's a lot of "Well, yes... but". And the thing about the permeability of cancer cells... I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to ALL cancers. I'm honestly not sure if it even applies to most. It might. I'm not sure.

hodj · Feb 27, 2015

From that blog

The second step is to use some nutritional mechanism to move the internal cancer cell pH from the optimal mitosis range of pH 6.5 to 7.5, to above 8, which shortens the life of the cancer cell.

How would you raise only cancer cell pH to above 8(!) without raising the pH of non cancer cells to above 8, which will demonstrably denature proteins, cause them to be digested, distort enzyme function, and throw the entire homeostatic balance of the body out of whack, leading to alkalemia and shortly thereafter, death.

There are lots of things that may theoretically kill cancer cells that we can't use to kill cancer cells because they'll also kill other cells. Not that this is even up to that standard. Literally we're in bat shit crazy territory here on this issue with Lumie.

AngryGerbil · Feb 27, 2015

Iannis_sl said:
You can go to 7.5. It ain't that hard. Hypoventillate for a while. But I wouldn't fucking recommend it!

Edit: I very much agree there's a lot of sketchyness in that blog. But nothing that's straight up offensive. It's just kinda fodder for dudes like lumie to be offensive with is all I meant. There's a lot of "Well, yes... but". And the thing about the permeability of cancer cells... I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to ALL cancers. I'm honestly not sure if it even applies to most. It might. I'm not sure.

Repiratory Alkalosis != Metabolic Alkalosis

Lumi · Feb 27, 2015

No, Bacon is one of many people, going back to Aristotle and beyond, who helped invent the scientific method. The scientific method has been in development since the homo habilis picked up the first stone and attempted to shape it in his hands. That act of observation and experimentation to find a proper technique to tool shaping was the first instance of the use of the scientific method to improve the conditions of our species.

The specific method we use TODAY is Sir Francis Bacon's you dumb fuck. Not Aristotle's.

Notice how you are literally incapable of addressing any serious questions about biology made to you?

Notice how you keep avoiding this?

I don't bother because there's no fucking point debating with a dumb fucking deranged retarded waste of life such as yourself because literally no matter what I say, if it isn't in compliance with your ignorant pre-conceived notions then I'm wrong. I'm not here to argue with delusional wastes of life that have less mental capabilities using all of their brain cells then I can manage with a single brain cell.

iannis · Feb 27, 2015

Yeah, quite true, I guess i'm being lazy reading.

Or else I'm dumber than lumie.

hodj · Feb 27, 2015

Luminati_sl said:
Says this then quotes wikipedia.

Just saw this idiocy

Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica - CNET News

Wikipedia is about as good a source of accurate information as Britannica, the venerable standard-bearer of facts about the world around us, according to a study published this week in the journal Nature.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...l/438900a.html

Jimmy Wales' Wikipedia comes close to Britannica in terms of the accuracy of its science entries, a Nature investigation finds.

Stay completely fucking butthurt about facts, though.

iannis · Feb 27, 2015

hodj_sl said:
From that blog

How would you raise only cancer cell pH to above 8(!) without raising the pH of non cancer cells to above 8, which will demonstrably denature proteins, cause them to be digested, distort enzyme function, and throw the entire homeostatic balance of the body out of whack, leading to alkalemia and shortly thereafter, death.

Fuck, I dunno either. But it sure would be interesting if you could.

Maybe we should just inject tumors with bicarb! A bicarb/garlic mixture, to be safe.

AngryGerbil · Feb 27, 2015

Luminati_sl said:
I don't bother because there's no fucking point debating with a dumb fucking deranged retarded waste of life such as yourself because literally no matter what I say, if it isn't in compliance with your ignorant pre-conceived notions then I'm wrong. I'm not here to argue with delusional wastes of life that have less mental capabilities using all of their brain cells then I can manage with a single brain cell.

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hodj · Feb 27, 2015

The specific method we use TODAY is Sir Francis Bacon's

No, its been heavily modified and varies depending upon field, research goals, etc.

The fact that you think there's one "scientific method" that was invented by one guy 300 years ago or whatever doesn't surprise anyone. You're not smart.

I don't bother because there's no fucking point debating with a dumb fucking deranged retarded waste of life such as yourself because literally no matter what I say, if it isn't in compliance with your ignorant pre-conceived notions then I'm wrong. I'm not here to argue with delusional wastes of life that have less mental capabilities using all of their brain cells then I can manage with a single brain cell.

Translation:

I literally have no rebuttal so I'm going to throw myself up on a cross next to my Jewshkebab savior boy and hope someone believes I'm truly being persecuted for being held to a base level standard of evidence for my beliefs that I cannot meet.

Like I said:

you are a coward, a know nothing willfully ignorant construct, a Poe and nothing more

And I'd put my three field hard science major GPA up against yours any day of the week, bucko.

Ambiturner · Feb 27, 2015

hodj_sl said:
It doesn't matter what Louis Pasteur said. Appeal to authority fallacies and quote citing isn't an argument.

How's about you address, well, anything of relevance in my previous post, you intellectual coward?

He was responding to your comment that there is no creation science. His retarded logic was that there were since there were people that believed in creationism who also were actual scientists, that was somehow the same thing. So not only is it an appeal to authority on people who weren't even authorities on the subject, but even his examples weren't even supporting his flawed premise

hodj · Feb 27, 2015

Iannis_sl said:
Maybe we should just inject tumors with bicarb! A bicarb/garlic mixture, to be safe.

Sounds like a solid plan. Maybe Lumie will let us test the theory out on him?

hodj · Feb 27, 2015

Ambiturner_sl said:
but even his examples weren't even supporting his flawed premise

Seems to be the norm for him, rather than an outlier.

Adebisi · Feb 27, 2015

Luminati_sl said:
LOL! The scientific method was invented by a creationist you stupid fucking waste of life. Sir Isaac Newton is considered to be the greatest scientist that ever lived. Guess what you fucking stupid ass hole? He was a creationist. Louis Pasteur saved more lives than probably any other person that's ever lived through his discovery of germ theory. Guess what dumb fuck? Creationist. The majority of the world is run on Nikola Tesla's inventions. Guess what you stupid fuck? Yep, creationist. I rest my case you ignorant fucking piece of shit.

I see you say a lot of dumb things, Lumie.

This is in the top 5.

Phazael · Feb 27, 2015

I will give him a pass for considering Newton one of the greatest scientists in history (debatable opinion that I firmly disagree with), but Tesla was about as far from a creationist as a guy can be. Creationists love to misinterpret his words to try and claim him, though, like they often do with Einstein.

Lumi · Feb 27, 2015

And I'd put my three field hard science major GPA up against yours any day of the week, bucko.

LOL you paid a shitload of money to be fed a bunch of bullshit. So not only are you massively in debt but you're also massively inferior to me intellectually. If I had one wish it would be to make you see what an absolute fucking joke you are. How do you think I'm able to make a living doing nothing but play poker? It's because I'm far smarter than you and dumb fucks like you that THINK they are smart but actually aren't which is why I'm able to take all of their money. I make a living outsmarting dumb fucking retards like you that are so fucking delusional that they insist I'm only winning because I'm "lucky" LOL! Isn't it sad that I make far more money than you do and I never spent a cent on college? Oh and nobody taught me how to play poker either because unlike you, I'm not a fucking moron that needs other morons to tell me how shit works. I figure shit out on my own and teach myself.

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