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That's bullshit. It turns out the ones that read and understand it simply don't engage in crap discussions of this sort.
hodj
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The State of the Bible: 6 Trends for 2014 - Barna Group
Most Christians Don't Read the Bible Much - US - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
I'd love to see modern stats on how many Christians have actually read the entire Bible from "In the beginning" down to "Amen" cover to cover, because I bet the percentage can be counted on a single hand.
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Its rough. You have to really grind down through a lot of just straight up shit. The geneologies alone are enough to put an end to most people trying to read the thing.
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I see that you are referring to American Christians. Just like everything else, they're the slow, fat version of Christians, and they're in the minority. Most of Christianity exists outside of the U.S., contrary to what local nut-jobs would like you to believe.
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Most of Christianity exists in the 2nd and 3rd world where people believe in even more ridiculous ideas, like mixing animism and ancestor worship with Christianity in South America and Africa dude.
Don't even get me started on Chinese Christians.
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Sometimes I wonder what kind of thought processes a person has to go through to make it OK to have a closely held religious belief and at the same time deem it not worth your time to read what you believe is the literal word of the living God.
This one is easy and a huge factor of Catholicism.
They can't possibly understand it so they let someone else explain it.
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And then there was Vatican II. Even in the Roman Catholic church this is a disappearing viewpoint.
I don't know what a Christian person did to you, or where they touched you, but there are plenty of smart Christians around, and many of them doing good publishing. Want a thought provoking read? Check out anything Dr. Alvin Plantinga has written. Or Bonhoeffer. Or Lewis. Or a host of others. Feel free to talk about how dumb Christians are in general, but there are also plenty of smart ones. So, whatever.
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Alvin Platinga is a huge joke. Do you think I've never heard of him before dude?
Pure nonsense
CS Lewis is also nonsense. Bonhoffer I've probably heard of but can't place the face right not.
No "Christian" did something to me, Christianity is just bullshit, as are most religions, its time to move away from superstitions into reality.
I don't recall ever saying all Christians are stupid, or mentally ill, or anything of the sort.
Dishonest? Sure. More concerned with what makes them feel good than facts? Absolutely.
Often the smartest Christians are the worst, though, because they can actually think themselves into logical conundrums so deep you can't lead them back out of it.
Pure nonsense
CS Lewis is also nonsense. Bonhoffer I've probably heard of but can't place the face right not.
No "Christian" did something to me, Christianity is just bullshit, as are most religions, its time to move away from superstitions into reality.
I don't recall ever saying all Christians are stupid, or mentally ill, or anything of the sort.
Dishonest? Sure. More concerned with what makes them feel good than facts? Absolutely.
Often the smartest Christians are the worst, though, because they can actually think themselves into logical conundrums so deep you can't lead them back out of it.
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Whelp. Your position has just been solidified. The fact (hard fact) that Al Plantinga is touted as one of the most significant philosophers of the 20th Century both in and out of Christian circles doesn't resonate with you? You find him a joke? You obviously have never read one of his works. At least not with understanding. Doesn't matter if you agree or not, he shaped his field for 30 years. Just not a joke.
Lewis is a nonsense? That's laughable. People have been studying his words since he wrote them, and no one is done with him. He brought too much to the table to be considered nonsense. If you consider him nonsense, you're ridiculous.
Check out Bonhoeffer, you might like him.
And a religion, such as Christianity, which has persevered for two thousand years demands some respect, regardless of your perspective on God or Christ. Dismissive comments such as your previous post serve to discredit you, not that which you strive to discredit.
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No. Appeal to popularity is a fallacy of reasoning
Yes, when it comes to religion and his arguments for the existence of a deity, all of which are regurgitated and fallacy laden blather, most definitely
I don't need to eat a plate of shit to know it tastes bad. His arguments for the existence of a deity fall in the same categories that have been regurgitated since before the dark ages. Ontological arguments are fallacy laden tripe. Appeal to design are fallacy laden tripe.
Aquinas shaped his field for millenia, and he's as much of a joke.
Look, you cite me the evidence from Platinga for the existence of a god that you find compelling, and I'll be happy to explain to you, in detail, with citations, why he's just flat wrong. The worst part about Platinga is he's intelligent enough to know that his arguments are nonsense, and that's what is probably the saddest part about him.
Appeal to popularity again. Lewis was a dishonest person, with as many bad arguments. His false trichotomy Liar Lunatic or Lord is dishonest enough on its face to reject him outright. The fact that he can argue with a straight face that the ONLY possibilities when it comes to the divinity of Christ is that he was either a liar, a lunatic or a lord, while purposefully ignoring that he could also be a legend is so fucking stupid. Also, on a personal note, I can't stand his fantasy novels.
I did like the Screwtape Letters a little bit, I guess. I mean it was at least inventive.
This is just authority appeals. All he brought to the table were apologetics. Apologetics is, by definition, a dishonest dissembling of cognitive dissonance laden tripe. Faith is, by definition, the most dishonest position a person can take. It is a position accepted without regard to reason or evidence, which is defended against all reason and evidence. You cannot be more dishonest than to be an apologist who peddles ad hoc explanations for why people should believe, without evidence, demonstrable fictions written by and for bronze age goatherders. They are snake oil salesmen, profiting off the gullibility of people too busy, too lazy, or too dim witted to do the research involved in actually deeply understanding the theological implications of the belief system they peddle. All apologists, all priests, all potentates of religion are, by definition, scam artists unworthy of respect.
Sure.
Lol wut? Christianity survived byKILLING AND OPPRESSING ALL ALTERNATIVE POINTS OF VIEW. Why does that deserve respect, exactly?
Also we should probably take this to the religion thread, if I'm being honest. If you would like to respond to me there, I'll be happy to take it there.
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