Mad Men

spronk_sl said:

don, my boy...



I didn't catch it initially but it was pretty awesome how Harry fucked himself out of millions because he wanted to wait to sign his partnership forms until his wife divorced him.

Also $1m in 1970 is equivalent to about $6m today so Pete would be walking away with a sweet $12m or so and Joan with $6m. Not bad for someone who started as a secretary.

I hope when the show returns next year they jump forward to 1974 - Watergate and the end of the 5 year contract. The Moon Landing stuff was just awesome to see, really made you think about how everyone on the planet was watching the same thing that week.

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I don't think they would do that, but it could work. 1973 was Burger Chef's biggest year of growth due to advertising. Would be cool to see that reflect on the agency.

Haha, Roger selling the whole company just to say "Fuck you" to Cutler and watching Don's back.





What the hell was up with that ending?

I want you to listen to me. I know you're feeling vulnerable, but I am your strength. *kisses Don* Tell me what I can do.

Ha, dumb secretaries. You're not a pillar... you're brittle.

She just wanted the D.

You look like Sean. Fuck your avatar stealing self.

Brad2770_sl said:

I don't think they would do that, but it could work. 1973 was Burger Chef's biggest year of growth due to advertising. Would be cool to see that reflect on the agency.

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Isn't the series supposed to conclude at the end of 1969?

Xarpolis_sl said:

You look like Sean. Fuck your avatar stealing self.

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I lost an avatar bet.

The Cooper thing was just a sendoff, I think. Maybe to make it a little less morbid and a little more wtf. Or maybe Roger spiked the coffee that morning.

Trollface_sl said:

What's up with sally.

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I viewed that as a reflection of the status of her relationship with Don. Pretty boy jock is being all douchey, she echoes him, Don sets her straight, so she goes and kisses the optimist, nerdy kid rather than the douchey, jock kid.

Royal_sl said:

She wants the cock so she throwin' out vibes to everything with one.

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Now's you chance trollface!

Adam12_sl said:

She just wanted the D.

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The Don or the Draper?

Royal_sl said:

Isn't the series supposed to conclude at the end of 1969?

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No idea. I would think it would make more sense how the series has ran thus far.

While jumping to 74 would be interesting, and they could do the SHIT out of that I do hope they've kept it in 69 for the final 8. I'd rather this series end with Woodstock than Watergate.

Tonally, doing 9 episodes leading to / away from Watergate is just too fucking dark.

I'm wondering if next year is something of an extended epilogue.

Edit: Every scene was good. Especially Burts final one. That was exactly the right way and time to do that scene.

Lithose_sl said:

Joan's anger, just my opinion, stems from shame. She was willing to be a whoreandthe rest of the people in the company were complicit--which puts them on the same level as her, in terms of what they find acceptable for money. Don is the only one with the "virtue" to not sell his principles out for money (Because he doesn't really care about it.)...To come in every day, and know you NEED money, because people depend on you--and to see someone who is immune to the ugly things money does to you, when everyone else doesn't have those scruples? It has to be infuriating--he's the one person that won't get on board. I mean, there are a lot of other things--like Don did blow the IPO for her (Even though he eventually grew the company more). He also doesn't acknowledge people very well. But I think the source of her anger is just that--shame.

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I look at it in a slightly different way. When Joan made the decision to go through the deal with Jaguar, she told herself she was making a sacrifice for her family. She could go to work everyday knowing she did something to put the company back on track while securing her child's future. She convinced herself she was doing the right thing, but then Don comes to her and tells her not to go through with it (albeit too late). Don and Joan's relationship has always been one built on mutual respect and understanding, and coming from him, that only served to foster those feelings of doubt she was trying hard to bury.

And then Don turns around and single-handedly gets rid of that business, which was a slap in the face to Joan. She felt it was him looking down on her for what she did and fixing her mistake. Don should've understood, but instead he betrayed her in a way that took away the one thing she could use to ignore those growing feelings of regret. It made her sacrifice meaningless, which is why she's suddenly become so money-driven. Her partnership stake is the one thing she has left that can prove she made the right decision, but so long as Don is around, she'll have a constant reminder of the regret and shame she feels. Don has just become a stand-in for the emotions she doesn't want to acknowledge.

It's been said by Wiener and others the show won't extend beyond 69. Was an interesting interview with Joe Hamm about how the story will not "end well" for Don Draper.

I thought the last episode was a bit disappointing compared to episode 6. Glad as fuck Megan is gone.... Fuck her and the retarded California setting.

I don't recall him ever saying that. I remember an interview where he talked about an idea of having us go forward into the 80s seeing Don's final days or something, but it was just an idea.

I thought the episode was great. Fucking Harry Crane, jesus that guy just can't take a hint. And Roger taking charge of the company, Bert was right, that was the first time we have seen Roger as an actual leader. Don and Peggy's relationship coming full circle. Sally about to bang the nerdy dude. This episode had it all!

I agree on the Joan thing. She is ashamed and he is the guy who told her not to do it and revealed her hypocrisy. The money is the ONLY thing that makes all of that worth it.

Marriages fall apart when work falls apart. It's like a country western song.

Trollface_sl said:

What's up with sally.

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To me all I saw was a mini Betty. The hair, the smoking, the outfit, the attitude. Everything about her screamed Betty to me.