Making a Murderer (Netflix) - New info
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There's a lot of exceptions. Without seeing the trial transcript I couldn't say which one was used/allowed in each case.
Jive Turkey
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In all this long winded, keyboard diarrhea are you refuting that the defence's implication is that there was an infatuation component? Because that would be really dumb if you are
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It looks like he contacted Auto Trader and gave them the sister's name and phone number as it was her car. The "anonymous" part was him dialing *67 before calling her twice before she arrived. He then called her 1x after she supposedly left, but didn't dial *67.
The prosecutor argued that he called her afterwards without blocking his number so it would appear as if he thought she was still alive at that time. That goes back to the sometimes he's a complete moron and sometimes he's Moriarty idea.
What seems most likely to me is that he gave Auto Trader the sister's name because it was her car. I doubt they would have believed the man they were actually speaking with was named Barbara. Him calling her twice with *67 before she arrived may have been because he didn't think she would answer if she saw it was his number. He may have had a thing for her and had try calling her in the past and she never answered. It doesn't say if she answered or not, but she obviously would have known it was him as soon as she did.
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Mind boggling? I'm an engineer, you know I deal in black and white.
I believe he did it but I haven't seen enough physical evidence to send away a man for life based on that. I've heard lawyers hate engineers on the jury - is this true?
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Chukzombi
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i can see her being creeped out by him and maybe she doesnt want to deal with him anymore. maybe she shows up in a little sexy outfit and it gives steve a good thrill so whenever he sells a car its like an event to get her over there so he can give her a good ogle. maybe thats why the ex bf was there (my theory) watching what went on and maybe it looked like she was flirting with steve and it drove him over the edge to kill her and then pin it on steve.
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Noodleface
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What do you mean? I'm not sending away a man for murder based on what I feel he did. I need proof before I make that call. However, in my head I can go "yeah im fairly certain this man did this."
I have enough trouble deciding what shirt to wear in the morning
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We won't present findings based on feels data, that doesn't mean we don't form theories in our head based on them. I can easily look at what's presented and feel that he did it; however, I wouldn't be able to present a guilty verdict based on my feels. That's all I'm meaning to say.
There's enough there for me to start believing he did it (over not doing it), but not enough to feel confident in presenting that.
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You're fighting me on my wording. I am in the gray area right now - I can't give a verdict unless it's black and white.
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I agree with Noodle's stance. He "feels" that Avery is guilty but understands it's "beyond a reasonable doubt" and not "preponderance of evidence".
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And just to be clear, I could never convict him based on what was presented. The jury should be ashamed of themselves.