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popsicledeath

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The allegedly used bleach, gasoline, and paint thinner. I don't think it's unreasonable to think they were trying a lot of different things and perhaps used different kinds of bleach. It's not out of the realm of possibility
They allegedly also raped her, stabbed her, shot her multiple times in the bedroom. I guess nothing is out of the realm of possibility if you watched a lot of Mr. Rogers and are really good at using your imagination.

All your useless spamming in this thread would be far more interesting if you were better at either trolling or making shit up. There is far more compelling circumstantial evidence implicating the ex and/or brother and their involvement than continuing to stretch the limits of plausibility by insisting on trying to pin Avery for the murder.
 

Chukzombi

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he is just theorizing, same as you, me and everyone else. nothing but to do cept theorize in this case because whats presented is so nonsensical yet it resulted in murder1 convictions of 2 people in 2 different trials based on 2 different scenarios .
 

Jive Turkey

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he is just theorizing, same as you, me and everyone else. nothing but to do cept theorize in this case because whats presented is so nonsensical yet it resulted in murder1 convictions of 2 people in 2 different trials based on 2 different scenarios .
I was just throwing his argument back at him. I'm on board with your post
 

Tenks

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There is far more compelling circumstantial evidence implicating the ex and/or brother and their involvement than continuing to stretch the limits of plausibility by insisting on trying to pin Avery for the murder.
I'm not up and up on this but what evidence?
 

popsicledeath

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I was just throwing his argument back at him. I'm on board with your post
You don't have to explain the stupid shit you're doing. We've noticed.

And I wasn't theorizing. I was saying if you wanted to play dipshit internet detective there are far more interesting and compelling directions you could be going other than repeating bullshit from clickbait articles on celeb websites directly from the discredited DA and Sheriff.
 

Chukzombi

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You recognize that chuk in factdidn'tnotice what I was doing, hence the explanation, right? You don't have to refute every single post I make. You've clearly got a hard on for me. Take a break
its hard to notice what you're doing because you said things lined up with brandon's "confessions" while you chose to focus on some aspects that jibe with the prosecution's slant on things while ignoring the plethora of of contradictory claims he made. you really cant do that or at least you shouldnt.

i can say i killed JFK because i shot him in the head during a parade in dallas. does that mean i killed jfk? no, i wasnt even born in the 1960s, if i had said well i used time travel to go to that time and do the deed, it sort of disqualifies anything else i said. same here. brendon may have got some shit on point because he wanted to please the interrogators enough so they would let him go home and watch wrestlemania, but he went through a host of lies before and after in order to do that. its all inadmissible garbage that no competent DA would ever use and no competent judge would ever allow. it sickens me how corrupt our criminal justice system is in these modern times.
 

Jive Turkey

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its hard to notice what you're doing because you said things lined up with brandon's "confessions"
Huh? The "thing I was doing" was throwning popsicle's hypocritical argument back at him. You guys just take any old sentence someone wrote and use it completely out of context and run with it. It's a madhouse
 

Slaythe

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But that doesn't really line up too well. They tried to paint him as cleaning the crime scene but he just went "oops forgot" about the back of the RAV4? I guess you could say he wasn't expecting anyone to find it but like they also said in the show if he really wanted someone not to find it why not crush the vehicle?
I think that 99% of BD's testimony is bullshit that was pulled out of him by the cops, but there's a couple moments of detail that line up with the weird circumstances of the crime scene. In his 3/1 confession, the very first thing he says is he went over to Stephen's and was shown TH's body in the back of the RAV4. Later he says that Stephen was first going to dump her body in a pond but after decided to burn her. Her in the back of the SUV would also be consistent with the other burn site at the quarry, where potentially he first tried to deal with the remains only to find the body wasn't burning fast enough, thus throwing what he could in a barrel and finishing the job in his firepit where things were accelerated by burning tires along with the body.

Now, let's be clear. I don't think anything about BD's statements should have been admissable and as such none of what I'm saying above should have played any role in either trial and with how much of his confession was obvious bullshit, it stands to reason that the items I'm pointing to are bullshit as well. All I'm saying is there is a plausible series of events that line up with the evidence. None of it is solid enough for a conviction.
 

chaos

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The scenario you are talking about here would have taken all night. By like 9 Avery was back in his house.
 

Ambiturner

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I'm shocked that there may be some parts of his multiple contradictory confessions that resemble what may have happened.

I also don't see in any of that how they explain the body being burned elsewhere and then returned to his home for some odd reason
 

Noodleface

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I just assumed the body was burned in the barrel and they dumped it in his burn pit to finish the job. Maybe an animal took some of the remains. Who the fuck really knows though.

As for where she was killed, I also thought she could've been knocked out then shot in the barrel. All guessing though, only the killer knows.
 

Noodleface

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That's why I thought an animal might have taken it. But who knows. Dude could've just thought it would throw police off.
 

LadyVex_sl

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I don't get how some people are willing to believe that there are a billion different scenarios, reasons, applications, motives, etc for the murder, but then full stop when it comes to assuming similar events may have happened in the case of the cops.

The fact that there was and is this much conjecture about the murder, and was SHOWN IN FUCKING COURT should have been more than enough to throw out the case. Yea, in a very moral, real way, it's important who killed the chick, but in a very technical, law abiding way, who killed her doesn't mean a damn thing, because somehow two dudes went to jail on a case that the prosecutors couldn't prove. Like, if it were an equation, A + B + C =/= Steven Avery, yet he was still found guilty. And it just so happens everyone involved had shit tons to lose if he wasn't found guilty.

Also, "spoon feeding" seems a bit much. I imagine they had a bias, because anyone of sound mind should, at the very least, have gone, WHAT THE FUCK at this case. Doesn't matter who you think was guilty, it was so beyond fucked how they convicted him. They changed the way the fucking law works to do it, bros.

That said, while bias probably existed, it still showed the fucking facts man.

People are discussing the actual murder when that wasn't what the doc was about. It's irrelevant. The doc was about the utter and complete mishandling of evidence, the law, the people, the cops, the county etc, to the detriment of two men. We can theorize all we want about what actually happened, and honestly, that's likely want the cops/judges want, because it keeps us focused on the "what ifs" instead of focusing on the real issue shown - that they broke all the laws and all the rules to make sure they weren't financially ruined.
 

Ambiturner

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I just assumed the body was burned in the barrel and they dumped it in his burn pit to finish the job. Maybe an animal took some of the remains. Who the fuck really knows though.

As for where she was killed, I also thought she could've been knocked out then shot in the barrel. All guessing though, only the killer knows.
I believe they said it would take roughly 16 hours to burn the body to the point that it was in the barrel. Seems crazy to load the body up, burn it so impractically, then just dump it on your own property.
 

Sylas

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Ok since it's clear about half of you fucks missed the point of the documentary, that the Manitowoc Sheriff's department completely rail-roaded this poor retard twice and that these 2 convictions were an absolute miscarriage of justice, and instead you'd rather be internet sleuths and turn this in to murder mystery who-dunnit, fine, let's do that. But first, let's establish what we know so new people don't keep coming in here throwing up stupid click bait articles from the disgraced DA/special prosecutor.

Caveats:
a) We will never know what happened to Theresa Halbach.
b) The police, in their zeal to rail road Steven Avery (and thus, Brendan Dassey) never performed a proper investigation or questioned or considered anyone else of the crime.
c) The Defense was not allowed to present any evidence or pursue any line of questioning that would point to anyone other than BD or SA.

Things we know beyond a shadow of a doubt, we are 100% certain that:

1: TH was not killed in SA's garage, which was the DA's theory of the crime in both SAs and BDs trial, of which both were found guilty.
2: TH never stepped foot in SA's trailer (and thus was not attacked/raped/tortured there), which was the DA's theory of the crime in BDs trial alone, of which BD was found guilty.

We know this to be true because of the police investigation. In perhaps the most egregious abuse of reasonable search and seizure laws in recent memory, the investigators had sole, complete unrestricted access to the property for a full 8 days, and in all of the searching of every square inch of both locations by multiple departments (one of which with a huge conflict of interest and every motivation to find evidence against SA), not a single scrap of evidence of her presence (DNA) was found in either location.

What was found is what you would expect of a very unhygienic retard, years of filth and clutter and DNA of all types, in the trailer, SAs and (what we assume) his girlfriends (We know it was not THs); in the garage, DNA from deer blood droppings from years of hunting.

Both locations go beyond "Hillbilly Dexter", it would require "Hillbilly God Mode" to extract the old deer blood, completely clean up all of THs blood and DNA, then go back and replace the old deer blood, old stains, etc in the garage. Likewise in the trailer but instead of deer blood the sweat and secretions from him and his girlfriend, on the pink fluffy handcuffs which were alleged to have been used to restrain TH, on the sheets, bedding, etc.

She was never in the Trailer or in the garage. You are a fucking retard if you suggest otherwise. Since we've turned this into a murder mystery game, any speculation suggesting a murder/rape/etc taking place in either of these locations will be immediately ridiculed and disqualified.

What we know beyond a reasonable doubt, and can be fairly certain of:
1: SAs blood was found in THs Rav4. SA had a cut on his Right Middle Finger.
2: SAs fingerprints were never found in the car.
3: THs bones were found in a fire pit, in a 55 gallon barrel (burn barrel), and in a quarry outside of SAs property.
4: The Rav4 was eventually discovered hilariously "hidden" on SAs property in plain view from the road.
5: The Rav4 was seen leaving the property in the afternoon in question which matches the defenses timeline but not the prosecutions (her car left the property after 4pm before 5pm). The unrelated 3rd party eyewitness could not confirm who was driving.
6: Bone fragments from TH show bullet wounds from a .22 caliber rifle, the make/model of which were owned by both SA and BD's brother Bobby.
7: Bobby Dassey and his (now) step dad Scott Tadych both "went hunting" with said rifle and a bow at the time of THs arrival and saw her arrive. They were the only 2 people to testify that she went into his trailer (which we knew to be false). They gave a inaccurate timeline, wildly inaccurate description of THs clothing, and are the only people able to Alibi one another.
8: The SA blood vials locked in evidence at the police station were broken into and blood was extracted from them using a syringe, and it was not done by a technician performing routine, valid blood work.

Things we are not certain of but can speculate:
1: At some point, an unconscious or wounded TH was tossed into the back of her Rav4. Otherwise someone used her head as a paint brush to get her blood swipes there, which is kinda lolsy
2: 2 days before the Rav4 was "discovered", Detective Coulborn, a defendant in SAs 36mil lawsuit, found the Rav4 and called in a license plate check of the vehicle.
3: TH was late to her appointment to photograph SA's sisters van. He called her twice before she arrived and once after "she left." Keep in mind her car was spotted leaving by a completely unrelated third party witness at this time.

Things/Evidence we know to be false or contaminated and cannot be used to prop up a theory of the crime:
1: THs DNA on the bullet that magically appeared in the garage.
2: SAs DNA on the hoodlatch that was transplanted there by a shitty tech.
3: Magic key appearing in SAs trailer without SAs finger prints on them.
4: Magic bullet appearing in SAs garage halfway through the search despite the fact that she wasn't killed there.
5: Any evidence about the burn site being the location she was actually burned at, as basically they just dug shit up like dogs without any rhyme or reason.
6: Any and all "evidence" from BDs spoon fed "confessions." Really any sort of "insights" from a mind dumber than a German Shepard is suspect.


If you feel you have any evidence to add, please post it and how reliable you'd rate it: 100% Certain, fairly certain, speculative, false; and I will update this thread.


You are still free to speculate on how SA actually killed her, but don't embarrass yourself with already debunked shit from trash clickbait sites. Keep in mind, if you are going to speculate that he did it (which it's entirely possible that he did), that you are limited to a 1 hour 30 minute maximum timeline, from the time that she arrived around 3:15-3:30PM until the time that he started the fire around 5:00pm (if you are sticking with she was burned on his property in the fire pit). Also keep in mind that your theory must include someone driving her car off of his property (Perhaps SA does it, with her in the back) but you must also return SA back to his home to talk to his GF in prison around 4pm and then afterwards around 7pm (iirc, the times were "during" the rape/murder and after the burning).

A more plausible theory of SA as the killer is that he bonked her over the head, threw her in the back of the Rav4, drove to the Quarry, raped/killed/whatever there, and left her body there to return home and Alibi himself by talking to his GF in jail and then building a fire with his nephew. He could of returned at any point after that (from Nov 1- Nov 3) to burn the body at the Quarry and left it and the car there. And then it was discovered by police and the evidence was moved back to his place, blood taken from evidence and planted, etc in order to convict him of the crime that they suspected he was guilty of anyway.
 

Chukzombi

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I applaud your post sylas, very good points, its unfortunate that it won't prevent dumbasses to continue to claim that dasseys confession was " fake, but accurate" or that SA looks like a murderer .
so therefore he is
 

Cad

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I applaud your post sylas, very good points, its unfortunate that it won't prevent dumbasses to continue to claim that dasseys confession was " fake, but accurate" or that SA looks like a murderer .
so therefore he is
No no guys the Documentary producers had an agenda therefore SA did it.