Making a Murderer (Netflix) - New info

Tenks · Jan 18, 2016

Jive Turkey_sl said:
Not that we were shown. I don't think it's completely unreasonable to think if the vehicle was close to the garage, they threw her in instead of dragging her to the fire pit, then continued up to where it was parked. But that was never really discussed, so I have no clue

But that doesn't really line up too well. They tried to paint him as cleaning the crime scene but he just went "oops forgot" about the back of the RAV4? I guess you could say he wasn't expecting anyone to find it but like they also said in the show if he really wanted someone not to find it why not crush the vehicle?

popsicledeath · Jan 18, 2016

Jive Turkey_sl said:
To be honest, there are so many different scenarios from both Dassey and the prosecution as the investigation went on that I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of it is complete bullshit... or 100%.

But it's still fun to pick and choose the juiciest details so you can claim someone is potentially guilty of murder!

Someone should make a party game where you have a ton of tidbits of information seemingly related to a case but when a few bits are taken out of context any story you want can be fabricated! Every player can be a suspect and put to death if all the other players agree they're the murderer! Then for fun after the game everyone can read the actual cases where innocent men were put in jail or to death due to a very similar process by actual people with the power to do so. Then everyone can have a laugh over how it could never be them.

popsicledeath · Jan 18, 2016

Tenks_sl said:
It did seem like the only consistent story Brenden said was the "I got home. I played Playstation. I watched TV. I went to the bonfire." The other ones kept changing. But again we were spoon fed stuff by the makers of the documentary so its hard to say.

If you consider the documentary spoon feeding, the stories the prosecution were feeding everyone must be akin to mouth rape.

Jive Turkey · Jan 18, 2016

popsicledeath_sl said:
I'd also like to know who was alerted to the bleach stained pants. Did this officer take the stand? Did this officer implicate who this information came from? Was that person called to the stand to provide evidence this happened and when? What were the results of the tests they ran on the stained pants to determine a source of the staining? Did those match accounts and tests from the evidence the garage was cleaned with similar chemicals?

Dassey's Mom offered that information to investigators in February. The jeans were taken into evidence.

The cousin... has any of you ever known a teenage girl to NOT lie all the fucking time for attention and then when questioned continue lying to save themselves or even just to keep getting someone in trouble? Maybe a bit harsh, but to me the most believable thing she said was that the story was in the news and people were talking shit at school and she was making up shit for attention.

She didn't mention Dassey by name, so she wasn't trying to get him in trouble. And if I'm not mistaken, the conversation was before the investigators announced the details of the murder because Dassey hadn't been arrested yet.
If she was vague in her story, I might agree with you. But she was somewhat specific about the location and clean up

And in the end we're back to no concrete evidence, even from the concrete they jackhammered up. Having to rely on the testimony of what sure seem to be corrupt investigators who sure seem to have a knack for getting information and confessions from kids that can't be backed up with much actual evidence. And more tainting of public opinion and the jury pool and potential witnesses by a prosecution that can't keep their fucking mouths shut and not spread every tall tail they hear that seems able to do little more than fabricate leads and suspects by their press conferences.

They jackhammered the floor because there was a crack in the concrete and they thought maybe blood had seeped in. If it didn't, jackhammering doesn't mean jackshit

More clickbait bullshit housewives and fucking morons on the internet will run with to confirm the thing they're pretty sure they know despite being ignorant fucks. I guess it's funny until it's your jury of "peers" they're sitting on.

Aw, muffin, that didn't take you long, did it? You seem mad. Are you okay? You can still have your big boy conversation here and nobody will stop you. Cross my heart.
And for the last time, our personal threshold for looking at guilt or innocence isn't set to the same high standard that a court of law is. This should be self evident and has no bearing on how one would act on a jury

Jive Turkey · Jan 18, 2016

popsicledeath_sl said:
juiciest

There's one of those words again. This is all very 'juicy' and 'titillating' isn't it?

But for real, have your important discussion. We can do both here. Be sure to fill us in on the real life work you're putting into it as well. Or are you not going to tell us?

Jive Turkey · Jan 18, 2016

Tenks_sl said:
But that doesn't really line up too well. They tried to paint him as cleaning the crime scene but he just went "oops forgot" about the back of the RAV4? I guess you could say he wasn't expecting anyone to find it but like they also said in the show if he really wanted someone not to find it why not crush the vehicle?

Ya, it does seem a bit inconsistent. Could've thought nobody would find it or maybe he had other plans to get rid of it all together? Or maybe it was planted evidence because he didn't do it. I have no clue

Cad · Jan 18, 2016

I kinda think if you put someone who had been shot/stabbed in the back of a car there'd be a lot more blood than what they found. There's like blood smudges here and there, not "body in the trunk" type of blood.

Cad · Jan 18, 2016

Why not just drive the RAV4 10 miles down the road and walk back? Makes no sense. I mean I know criminals do dumb stuff but yea ...

Chukzombi · Jan 18, 2016

it really makes no difference if SA killed TH or not, none of the science points to any crime and it sure doesnt point to anyone specific because its all been tainted by idiots trying to railroad a man that was suing them for railroading him once before.

popsicledeath · Jan 18, 2016

Jive Turkey_sl said:
There's one of those words again. This is all very 'juicy' and 'titillating' isn't it?

But for real, have your important discussion. We can do both here. Be sure to fill us in on the real life work you're putting into it as well. Or are you not going to tell us?

It's because you're like a lonely, bi-polar housewife, so I use language as such. In part because all the things you're so excited to discuss are the same things my girlfriend mentioned she read in People magazine, saw on The View, or that I've overheard from women at work. Then, when someone seems to agree with you, you get even more excited and latch onto them. And when they scoff at you or shrug you off, you seem confused and annoyed.

I'd compare you to the second-hand news character on SNL, but he's at least funny whereas you're not really even funny. That's the most disappointing thing: you're a shitty troll. Not funny. Not enraging no matter how many times you try to claim other people are mad or upset. You're just a fucking moron. Half the time you don't even seem to understand when people are mocking you. It's passe at this point to simply be a fucking moron claiming other people are dumb and mad. Step your game up.

Dassey's mom offered the information to an investigator we suspect has coerced false confessions. Her information was so important I don't think they had her called to the stand, nor deposed. Why, Fassbender didn't even mention it was the mom who told him this information when he was on the stand testifying under oath, and this incredibly damning bit of evidence turned into a vague statement that he had "received information about Mr. Dassey having some bleach stains on some jeans, and that being a result of uh, cleaning Steven Avery's garage floor."

Received information? No followup questions from who? No mention that Dassey's own mother apparently "volunteered" information implicating her own son? Of course such questions under oath could get you in a lot of trouble if they weren't true and verifiable, and I think we all know the report from that day's police work would mysteriously have either not been written or in the case of Colburn written many months later.

And again, the type of bleach that will discolor his pants isn't the type of bleach that will remove proof of blood. So, what is it, was there blood they used chlorine bleach on that stained the kid's pants and the investigators just couldn't happen to find the remaining evidence of blood in the garage? Or was it the kind of bleach that would remove traces of blood but wouldn't have stained his pants? Or were they cleaning up no blood for no real reason?

Or maybe they were trying to bleach out automotive fluid before it stained as Brendan originally stated before investigators coerced a confession?

But who knows, maybe they would have found something had they been doing actual police work at the time a crime was legitimately being investigated instead of 4 months later following up on leads coerced from a retarded teenager.

Chanur · Jan 18, 2016

Jive Turkey_sl said:
Not that we were shown. I don't think it's completely unreasonable to think if the vehicle was close to the garage, they threw her in instead of dragging her to the fire pit, then continued up to where it was parked. But that was never really discussed, so I have no clue

Why throw her in a fire pit when they had access to an incinerator?

Jive Turkey · Jan 18, 2016

Cad_sl said:
I kinda think if you put someone who had been shot/stabbed in the back of a car there'd be a lot more blood than what they found. There's like blood smudges here and there, not "body in the trunk" type of blood.

Maybe. But regardless of who did it, I think it's somewhat accepted that her dead body was in the trunk at some point. The blood patterns matched the kind of blood patterns you'd get from bloody hair being drawn across a surface, I think is what they said... not definitive, I agree. But I don't think that detail was ever disputed

Jive Turkey · Jan 18, 2016

Maester Chuk_sl said:
it really makes no difference if SA killed TH or not

You can't honestly believe this. Maybe as it relates to the conviction, sure, but it absolutely matters who killed her. Especially if that someone got away with it

chaos · Jan 18, 2016

Well it's disputed if you try and apply the prosecution's story of what happened to the evidence. Those two things do not agree.

Jive Turkey · Jan 18, 2016

popsicledeath_sl said:
It's because you're like a lonely, bi-polar housewife, so I use language as such. In part because all the things you're so excited to discuss are the same things my girlfriend mentioned she read in People magazine, saw on The View, or that I've overheard from women at work. Then, when someone seems to agree with you, you get even more excited and latch onto them. And when they scoff at you or shrug you off, you seem confused and annoyed.

I'd compare you to the second-hand news character on SNL, but he's at least funny whereas you're not really even funny. That's the most disappointing thing: you're a shitty troll. Not funny. Not enraging no matter how many times you try to claim other people are mad or upset. You're just a fucking moron. Half the time you don't even seem to understand when people are mocking you. It's passe at this point to simply be a fucking moron claiming other people are dumb and mad. Step your game up.

Dassey's mom offered the information to an investigator we suspect has coerced false confessions. Her information was so important I don't think they had her called to the stand, nor deposed. Why, Fassbender didn't even mention it was the mom who told him this information when he was on the stand testifying under oath, and this incredibly damning bit of evidence turned into a vague statement that he had "received information about Mr. Dassey having some bleach stains on some jeans, and that being a result of uh, cleaning Steven Avery's garage floor."

Received information? No followup questions from who? No mention that Dassey's own mother apparently "volunteered" information implicating her own son? Of course such questions under oath could get you in a lot of trouble if they weren't true and verifiable, and I think we all know the report from that day's police work would mysteriously have either not been written or in the case of Colburn written many months later.

And again, the type of bleach that will discolor his pants isn't the type of bleach that will remove proof of blood. So, what is it, was there blood they used chlorine bleach on that stained the kid's pants and the investigators just couldn't happen to find the remaining evidence of blood in the garage? Or was it the kind of bleach that would remove traces of blood but wouldn't have stained his pants? Or were they cleaning up no blood for no real reason?

Or maybe they were trying to bleach out automotive fluid before it stained as Brendan originally stated before investigators coerced a confession?

But who knows, maybe they would have found something had they been doing actual police work at the time a crime was legitimately being investigated instead of 4 months later following up on leads coerced from a retarded teenager.

For someone who isn't interested in such low brow discussion, you sure are invested in it.

And who exactly did I 'latch on' to? You mean when I discuss things with reasonable people that just happen to agree with a fraction of what I've posted? Even most of the posters who disagree with me are reasonable.
I certainly haven't latched on to anyone the way you did when a_skeleton_03 arrived. Remember when you went all beta and verbally fellated him? "oh, how great it would've been to have been trolled by you, sir". Have some self respect

Jive Turkey · Jan 18, 2016

chaos_sl said:
Well it's disputed if you try and apply the prosecution's story of what happened to the evidence. Those two things do not agree.

I agree. Their supposed sequence of events has been totally fucked because of all the different statements from Dassey. And maybe none of what Dassey said had even a fraction of truth to it.

Jive Turkey · Jan 18, 2016

popsicledeath_sl said:
And again, the type of bleach that will discolor his pants isn't the type of bleach that will remove proof of blood. So, what is it, was there blood they used chlorine bleach on that stained the kid's pants and the investigators just couldn't happen to find the remaining evidence of blood in the garage? Or was it the kind of bleach that would remove traces of blood but wouldn't have stained his pants? Or were they cleaning up no blood for no real reason?

The allegedly used bleach, gasoline, and paint thinner. I don't think it's unreasonable to think they were trying a lot of different things and perhaps used different kinds of bleach. It's not out of the realm of possibility

Jive Turkey · Jan 18, 2016

Chanur_sl said:
Why throw her in a fire pit when they had access to an incinerator?

Good question. I have no idea

Chukzombi · Jan 18, 2016

Jive Turkey_sl said:
You can't honestly believe this. Maybe as it relates to the conviction, sure, but it absolutely matters who killed her. Especially if that someone got away with it

im talking about the conviction, i have stated before that its impossible to ever get to the bottom of who killed theresa halbach because of what the mantowiac county fuckheads did to the evidence in this case. of course it matters that an innocent human life was taken, but in this case its not right to take two more potentially innocent lives away with severely compromised evidence either.

Cad · Jan 18, 2016

The big thing is the obvious police ineptitude and corruption, honestly Avery in particular doesn't mean anything to me he's kind of a useless piece of shit. But when you see what the cops can do to you when they get focused on you, especially if someone is willing to plant some key evidence, it's scary as hell. We all like to think this can't happen to us but it can.

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