Malaysian Airlines 777 Shot Down (?)

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Tuco

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We didnt went to war in the 80, when russian shot down the south korean plane, killing a congressman. So more sanctions to everyone but puttin!!!
Eh we'll see. Going to war with Russia and going to war with separatists are two different things. I'm not sure what Pres. Obama will do, but if this was indeed perpetrated by separatists then he's a pussy if we don't give involved militarily.

One huge headache with this is how bad the Ukraine side is. It's full of nazis and corruption.
 

lurkingdirk

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So, because something happened somewhere that involved 23 Americans, but was not directed at America and didn't threaten America in any way, it is the President's obligation to throw the military into the situation?

That doesn't make sense.
 

Vinen

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So, because something happened somewhere that involved 23 Americans, but was not directed at America and didn't threaten America in any way, it is the President's obligation to throw the military into the situation?

That doesn't make sense.
It's his duty to protect American's no matter where they are in the world.

PS: This is why expats pay taxes.
 

Fuse

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Going to war with Russia and going to war with separatists are two different things.
Not at all confident that the Russians would see it that way. I don't see Putin allowing any sort of western military action in E. Ukraine.
 

Tuco

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So, because something happened somewhere that involved 23 Americans, but was not directed at America and didn't threaten America in any way, it is the President's obligation to throw the military into the situation?

That doesn't make sense.
I wouldn't say he's obligated to do anything. Just that in that scenario he would be looked at as being weak.
 

Lendarios

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That is one ridiculous statement. Since medieval times governments are responsible for the security of their citizens inland and abroad. This is no different than a ship been sunk by pirates or submarines. It was a civilian flight that got shutdown by a rogue section of a country. The only reason there is a hesitation is because of russia.

If this would have happen on the middle east with Siria, or another nation, we will do the normal math of 23 americans = 2300 of yours, enjoy this ICBM.
 

Cinge

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I could see drone flights happening to take out certain leaders and AA sites.
 

Merlin_sl

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Obamas in a tough spot here. What are the options? Fucking war with the Russian separatists? Which would basically be war with Russia. On the other hand, he will be called a pussy if he does nothing. I don't envy him here.
 

Gavinmad

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Obamas in a tough spot here. What are the options? Fucking war with the Russian separatists? Which would basically be war with Russia. On the other hand, he will be called a pussy if he does nothing. I don't envy him here.
I'm sure you'll disagree with him no matter what he chooses.
 

lurkingdirk

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I understand that the President is responsible for the citizen's safety at home and abroad, but if 23 are killed in a single strike, that means that he better be deploying troops by dinner time? I'm going to guess that the President has access to more information than the folks on ReRolled do, and I'm going to guess that he has advisers that will talk through a lot of different strategies.

And what of the other nations represented in the casualties? There were 280 or so people on board. Probably from a dozen or more nations. Should all of their Presidents, Prime Ministers, or whatever, also send in their military forces? Is everyone as duty bound to send forces as President Obama, or is President Obama more on the hook because of who he is, over which nation he presides, and people don't like him, so they're using this opportunity to bitch about how weak he is?

I'm not saying he shouldn't send forces, nor am I singing the praises of the man, but what a shit situation to be in. He can't win, no matter what.
 

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I understand that the President is responsible for the citizen's safety at home and abroad, but if 23 are killed in a single strike, that means that he better be deploying troops by dinner time? I'm going to guess that the President has access to more information than the folks on ReRolled do, and I'm going to guess that he has advisers that will talk through a lot of different strategies.

And what of the other nations represented in the casualties? There were 280 or so people on board. Probably from a dozen or more nations. Should all of their Presidents, Prime Ministers, or whatever, also send in their military forces? Is everyone as duty bound to send forces as President Obama, or is President Obama more on the hook because of who he is, over which nation he presides, and people don't like him, so they're using this opportunity to bitch about how weak he is?

I'm not saying he shouldn't send forces, nor am I singing the praises of the man, but what a shit situation to be in. He can't win, no matter what.
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I don't think Pres. Obama should occupy Eastern Ukraine over this, just air strikes, drone strikes etc on targets they've probably already been watching. Again, that's assuming the separatists did this.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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Nothing will happen. Just like every civilian airliner that's been blown up before, they'll be a lot of posturing, veiled threats, and UN blabber,but I highly doubt any armed conflict will ensue due to this, especially since Russia is involved.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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The question is what you expect Obama to do? I don't see any way of dealing with this that doesn't involve some sort of military intervention in the area. I grew up during the cold war, and I'd prefer not to have a repeat during my lifetime.
 

Drakurii

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So, because something happened somewhere that involved 23 Americans, but was not directed at America and didn't threaten America in any way, it is the President's obligation to throw the military into the situation?

That doesn't make sense.
If the 23 Americans were your family members would you still be gigantic faggot?