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people are not kidding about the jesus allegories.
All-star superman itself did it. he dies and comes back, Then flys into the sun to be a literal sun god watching over the DC universe.
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You are right, I misremembered it, it's been so long. But pretty much, beings on a Galactus-level of power can kill a Kryptonian.
Depending on who is writing him, and which era, Superman had a level of regeneration like the Hulk does (i.e., can be reduced to bones and then regenerate).
http://superman.wikia.com/wiki/Super..._and_Abilities
The way I see it is that they've toned his powers down somewhat. Maybe they're trying to avoid the Hawkeye/Blackwidow problem for JLA so that the rest aren't totally overshadowed. Supes offed Zod the same way that a normal person could break someone else's neck. Sure, they're both super strong, but a severed spine is a severed spine.
Also, I may be reading too much into it, but I think Zod wanted to die. This also addresses the concern of why he didn't just terraform Mars or something instead. Kal-El represented the entire future of Krypton because he had the codex. Supes deciding that he was an Earthican was the last thing that sent Zod over the edge and terraforming Earth was his way of forcing supes to chose Krypton. When you eliminate all other choices, what is left? When he reaffirmed that he was on humanity's side no matter what, Zod decided that he could be protect Krypton's legacy by forcing superman to sever the last link he had to Krypton by killing him. The way I see it, Zod's suicide-by-superman was symbolic for "purging" the traitor from Krypton's good name by forcing him to side with humanity all the way to the end. With Zod there was no peaceful co-existence. Superman choosing humanity was a huge insult, which left enough room for only one.
I think Zod was seriously into that master race stuff. Space Hitler.
Also, I may be reading too much into it, but I think Zod wanted to die. This also addresses the concern of why he didn't just terraform Mars or something instead. Kal-El represented the entire future of Krypton because he had the codex. Supes deciding that he was an Earthican was the last thing that sent Zod over the edge and terraforming Earth was his way of forcing supes to chose Krypton. When you eliminate all other choices, what is left? When he reaffirmed that he was on humanity's side no matter what, Zod decided that he could be protect Krypton's legacy by forcing superman to sever the last link he had to Krypton by killing him. The way I see it, Zod's suicide-by-superman was symbolic for "purging" the traitor from Krypton's good name by forcing him to side with humanity all the way to the end. With Zod there was no peaceful co-existence. Superman choosing humanity was a huge insult, which left enough room for only one.
I think Zod was seriously into that master race stuff. Space Hitler.
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Just saw this last night: I give it an 8.5/10. Very good, but a notch or so below Avengers, IM1 and TDK.
And speaking of Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, the more of those comics references I read, the more I'm glad it seems like the movie people didn't include much of it. It's fucking terrible.
EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention, there's one scene where the camera pans over the frozen wastes, and we briefly see a polar bear climbing out of the water. I wonder if that's a shout-out to the Kevin Smith deal where the producer guy talks about polar bears being the animal kingdom's greatest killer? LOL
My gripes with the movie are pretty minor, it does many things very well. It comes thisclose to being really epic, but just misses the mark.
-Pa Kent's death kind of stuck out, dying in a twister is fine, going back for the dog is wtf. Should have gone back for a camper full of kids or something.
-The part where young Clark saves the bus in the river, I thought he could have avoided that whole thing if he hadn't been weird and just kind of sat there holding the bus watching the kids look at him. He could have just thrown the bus up on the bank or something, then popped out of the water with the ginger kid and then just played dumb. A minor thing really, but that went through my head as I watched it. It did allow for the couple callback scenes with the ginger kid though. (I grew up and got a job at IHOP! I grew up to be Superman!)
-The music was kind of disappointing for a Hans Zimmer produced deal. It wasn't bad at all, but it just wasn't GREAT. Granted he's got a lot to live up to after the Batman movies and Inception in that dept.
-I think the main thing that kept this movie from being next level epic was the transition from finding the scout ship and learning about his origin to Zod showing up. It seemed like that happened way too fast. I mean, he should have some more time to explore all his new powers, to see what he can do... by way of helping people out in more overt ways maybe? I dunno there, but the transition from "I'm Superman now, this is awesome let's see what I can do!" (Hopeful rising tone) to "Oh crap we're being invaded by aliens with godlike powers!" (ominous forboding tone) was just too abrupt. Not jarringly so, but this was my main fault with the movie.
-The ending with him going to work for the Daily Planet was kind of cool. I can see how that works. Not many people have seen Superman up close, since I don't recall his face being plastered all over the news (yet). Lois is in the know, and in a position to say things like, "Clark? Superman? Yeah right."
-Pa Kent's death kind of stuck out, dying in a twister is fine, going back for the dog is wtf. Should have gone back for a camper full of kids or something.
-The part where young Clark saves the bus in the river, I thought he could have avoided that whole thing if he hadn't been weird and just kind of sat there holding the bus watching the kids look at him. He could have just thrown the bus up on the bank or something, then popped out of the water with the ginger kid and then just played dumb. A minor thing really, but that went through my head as I watched it. It did allow for the couple callback scenes with the ginger kid though. (I grew up and got a job at IHOP! I grew up to be Superman!)
-The music was kind of disappointing for a Hans Zimmer produced deal. It wasn't bad at all, but it just wasn't GREAT. Granted he's got a lot to live up to after the Batman movies and Inception in that dept.
-I think the main thing that kept this movie from being next level epic was the transition from finding the scout ship and learning about his origin to Zod showing up. It seemed like that happened way too fast. I mean, he should have some more time to explore all his new powers, to see what he can do... by way of helping people out in more overt ways maybe? I dunno there, but the transition from "I'm Superman now, this is awesome let's see what I can do!" (Hopeful rising tone) to "Oh crap we're being invaded by aliens with godlike powers!" (ominous forboding tone) was just too abrupt. Not jarringly so, but this was my main fault with the movie.
-The ending with him going to work for the Daily Planet was kind of cool. I can see how that works. Not many people have seen Superman up close, since I don't recall his face being plastered all over the news (yet). Lois is in the know, and in a position to say things like, "Clark? Superman? Yeah right."
And speaking of Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, the more of those comics references I read, the more I'm glad it seems like the movie people didn't include much of it. It's fucking terrible.
EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention, there's one scene where the camera pans over the frozen wastes, and we briefly see a polar bear climbing out of the water. I wonder if that's a shout-out to the Kevin Smith deal where the producer guy talks about polar bears being the animal kingdom's greatest killer? LOL
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I'm not going to disagree with the Superman/Jesus allegory, because it has clearly been there many times throughout his history, but sometimes things go a little too far. For example, someone mentioned the scene where Superman backs out of the hole in Zod's ship and then flies away, and briefly does a "crucifix" pose. That's just a cool way of floating backwards out of a hole into space. Did you want his arms down at his sides? Or over his head? You'll notice when he was waiting for the army he had his arms folded part of the time there too, because just floating with your arms at your sides doesn't look all that heroic.
Ok, so you don't believe my reasoning there, fine. Then how do you explain Zod doing the exact same pose when he finally learned to fly? Is Zod Jesus too? Or maybe it was just another cool way to float there without looking lame.
People read too much into things sometimes.
Ok, so you don't believe my reasoning there, fine. Then how do you explain Zod doing the exact same pose when he finally learned to fly? Is Zod Jesus too? Or maybe it was just another cool way to float there without looking lame.
People read too much into things sometimes.
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I find it funny people are willing to rag on Prometheus for all its plot holes, yet are totally willing to ignore the massive WTF? moments in this film.
As a testament to CGI and how superhero fight scenes SHOULD be filmed, it's a 10/10. The Superman/Zod fights and the destruction left in their wake was definitely epic- it really emphasized just how powerful these two being were.
However, despite it being the epitome of what a good superhero action scene should be, it doesn't excuse the fact that there was no "soul" to the movie. I really couldn't care less for any of the characters.
Some of the things that really bugged me:
1) Ok Henry Cavill has the superman look down 100%, however his acting was simply horrible. He only had two looks, Coy and deadpan, and just felt altogether soulless.
2) Fuck off with the Superman Origin story already. We've already seen it twice before.
3) Rofl at Lois Lane becoming some sort of action hero, and her relationship with Superman made zero sense due to a total lack of screen time to setup the relationship.
4) Superman didn't seem to give two shits about the city being flattened. I didn't expect him to be a boy scout, but the fact that he seems oblivious to the fact that it looks like tens of thousands of people have just died was kind of mystifying.
They should have ditched the origin story in favor of actually developing the main characters and their relationships. I didn't care about Superman, nor Lois, or even Ma and Pa Kent. I can't even figure out within the context of the movie why Superman even cares about Lois that much.. I could in Superman I, but not this one..
Zac Snyder definitely has the action sequences down to an art, however he needs some co-director or something to take over the "human" parts of his movies.
I find it funny people are willing to rag on Prometheus for all its plot holes, yet are totally willing to ignore the massive WTF? moments in this film.
As a testament to CGI and how superhero fight scenes SHOULD be filmed, it's a 10/10. The Superman/Zod fights and the destruction left in their wake was definitely epic- it really emphasized just how powerful these two being were.
However, despite it being the epitome of what a good superhero action scene should be, it doesn't excuse the fact that there was no "soul" to the movie. I really couldn't care less for any of the characters.
Some of the things that really bugged me:
1) Ok Henry Cavill has the superman look down 100%, however his acting was simply horrible. He only had two looks, Coy and deadpan, and just felt altogether soulless.
2) Fuck off with the Superman Origin story already. We've already seen it twice before.
3) Rofl at Lois Lane becoming some sort of action hero, and her relationship with Superman made zero sense due to a total lack of screen time to setup the relationship.
4) Superman didn't seem to give two shits about the city being flattened. I didn't expect him to be a boy scout, but the fact that he seems oblivious to the fact that it looks like tens of thousands of people have just died was kind of mystifying.
They should have ditched the origin story in favor of actually developing the main characters and their relationships. I didn't care about Superman, nor Lois, or even Ma and Pa Kent. I can't even figure out within the context of the movie why Superman even cares about Lois that much.. I could in Superman I, but not this one..
Zac Snyder definitely has the action sequences down to an art, however he needs some co-director or something to take over the "human" parts of his movies.
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yeah but did you like it when they were making out in the middle of the massive ruin? that was hilarious.
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Yeah, when they kissed I didn't know whether to laugh or sigh. First, like I mentioned it seemed unjustified as there simply wasn't any interpersonal development between them earlier on in the movie to make you think that they are anywhere close to having a relationship. Then add to the fact that the city has been razed to the ground and remnants of it are still falling from the sky and you just have to roll your eyes at that kiss. Talk about awkward and out of place. They had 2+ hours to cram that in somewhere else and every single minute of it would have been a better choice and more appropriate than the scene/minute they did decide to film it in. It's a perfect example of how I feel ZacSnyder just doesn't understand anything but visual appeal and action.
Haters are why we can't have nice things.
The movie was the closest thing to a perfect Superman movie that we'll ever get. Period. Snyder did a stellar job reworking the Superman mythos, keeping it refreshing (the visual look to Krypton, etc) and not getting bogged down in useless exposition. Start to finish, Man of Steel is triumph.
We don't get many epic comic-to-movie films that deviate from the origin/villain trope that Hollywood loves so well, so when we do, we should be appreciative.
The movie was the closest thing to a perfect Superman movie that we'll ever get. Period. Snyder did a stellar job reworking the Superman mythos, keeping it refreshing (the visual look to Krypton, etc) and not getting bogged down in useless exposition. Start to finish, Man of Steel is triumph.
We don't get many epic comic-to-movie films that deviate from the origin/villain trope that Hollywood loves so well, so when we do, we should be appreciative.
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Like Trollface said, there was no problem with the villain. In fact, Zod carried this movie on his back not only being the best actor, but one of the few characters that actually felt "human" rather than like a cardboard cutout. I also didn't have any problem with the "mythos" or the visual look of Krypton. In fact, I found that all well done. However you can have great visuals and mythos and still have such things as a fleshed out story, meaningful dialogue, good acting, and sympathetic characters. Zod along with the epic visuals and fight scenes made this movie 'aight, but it could have been absolutely amazing if the former qualities were icing on the cake rather than a lonesome crutch trying to keep the movie interesting.
I'm not hating, but just like video games movies are more and more throwing story, plot, acting, and dialogue out the window in favor of MOAR special effects. It's sad because the two should not be mutually exclusive, yet it seems they are. Think of the greatest Sci-fi movies of all time, then think of any that make that list that in addition to special effects also equally emphasized storytelling, dialogue, and acting.. Aliens, Blade-Runner, Star Wars -- all movies with epic special effects for their time that differentiated themselves from the flock not by virtue of explosions, but by how the special effects were 1000X better when you actually have good acting and character development.
It was good but could have been A LOT better.
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More like the actual cake mix got fucked up and baked wrong in the oven but it didn't matter because the icing decorations were exactly what the icing fetishists wanted. It looked good, but the core was shallow and tasted like burned toffee. Nevermind that Superman cake flavor is supposted to be vanilla.
This analogy was fucking terrible and I feel bad for writing it.
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