Man of Steel

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Basically the same way people watch B movies without the MST3K / Elvira voice overs and snarky comments. Or the way that people can actually enjoy going to folk-art festivals without being "ironic". They just enjoy to see all this useless, pointless, self-aware CRAP that people spent a little bit of their lives bothering to make. Just to make it, you know?

It's a very distilled sort of thing and very hard to explain. Some of those old comics can be absolutely great for different reasons -- usually they're just sorta boring. Exactly like B movies.

Edit: It's like that scene where superman fights the dude on the moon in the 80's series. It was crap. God, at the TIME it was crap. The entire movie. Completely fucking horrible on so many levels for so many reasons. Dumb as shit. But it was also just completely awesome.Thatis Superman.

Basically I guess this movie would have been a fine Superman movie if it were optimistic rather than so damn dreary and trying so hard to be modern.
 
Caliane

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Trollface_sl said:
how do people read those godawful comics. jesus.
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Silver and golden age man.

Those covers are all 1930-1960ish.
notice the 10c-30c.

Pretty wacky time. Captain America punching Hitler, and just all around hijinks. This was before "continuity" and prolonged storylines. 1 or 2 comic stories would happen on occasion, but mostly everything was one offs.
And the typical comic was very much a strip format. or a cartoon, much like a tex avery deal. They hadn't evolved into complete works yet, or ongoings.

And as noted with some of the racism and shit. often a sign of the times. The Mandarin, casual racism.
60/70s books started dealing with black/white relations often to hilariously awkward results. 70/80's was drugs started getting addressed.

you wonder where the Adam West Batman came from? those covers are what the comics were like. Although Lyrical is correct. At that time, the ad team would come up with the cover idea. Have one guy do it. then they would give it to the artist to make up a story to go with the cover. Basically every issue was a "what if". What if lois was black? what if Jimmy was a gorilla? what if batman wore pink?


And then Stan Lee would stick his name on the finished work as the editor on the Marvel stuff, and take credit for it all.
 
Tarrant

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cinge_sl said:
I'm quite happy about that. I couldn't fathom being stuck like you, where I can't enjoy a good to great movie because I have that comic stuck so far up my ass.
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Agree 100%. I'm a huge fan of the comics and while the movie was a bit off from them it was still a super enjoyable movie. As a nerd I was super bothered by some of Iron Man 3 but I was still able to separate that side of me and just sit back and enjoy a decent flick.

"Purists " are pretty annoying when it comes to anything, comic book related or anything else. No thinking outside the box and thinking their way and vision is the only proper one and of its not that it's wrong and so is anyone who disagrees. It's stupid.
 
Shonuff

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Tarrant_sl said:
No thinking outside the box and thinking their way and vision is the only proper one and of its not that it's wrong and so is anyone who disagrees. It's stupid.
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Don't accuse anyone of not being able to think out of the box, when anyone that disagrees with you in this thread is automatically dismissed as a troll.

Superman is friendly, charismatic and fights for Truth, Justice and the American Way. This movie was bullshit. He was so dark and gritty that I'm surprised he didn't speak in guttoral tones and crouch at the top of buildings in the dark like a gargoyle statue.
 
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I feel like you are almost there Lyrical. Maybe if you repeat yourself for another dozen pages or so someone will change their opinion just for you.
 
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Caliane_sl said:
Silver and golden age man.

Those covers are all 1930-1960ish.
notice the 10c-30c.

Pretty wacky time. Captain America punching Hitler, and just all around hijinks. This was before "continuity" and prolonged storylines. 1 or 2 comic stories would happen on occasion, but mostly everything was one offs.
And the typical comic was very much a strip format. or a cartoon, much like a tex avery deal. They hadn't evolved into complete works yet, or ongoings.

And as noted with some of the racism and shit. often a sign of the times. The Mandarin, casual racism.
60/70s books started dealing with black/white relations often to hilariously awkward results. 70/80's was drugs started getting addressed.

you wonder where the Adam West Batman came from? those covers are what the comics were like. Although Lyrical is correct. At that time, the ad team would come up with the cover idea. Have one guy do it. then they would give it to the artist to make up a story to go with the cover. Basically every issue was a "what if". What if lois was black? what if Jimmy was a gorilla? what if batman wore pink?


And then Stan Lee would stick his name on the finished work as the editor on the Marvel stuff, and take credit for it all.
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30 cent comics were from mid/late 70s.
 
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Lost Ranger_sl said:
I feel like you are almost there Lyrical. Maybe if you repeat yourself for another dozen pages or so someone will change their opinion just for you.
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And maybe if you guys keep repeating that this movie was Oscar worthy, people will believe that.
 
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Eorkern_sl said:
Those covers are really full comics ? I thought it was some jokes look-a-like covers.
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Up until the 70's, DC had some really silly covers. Of course, they cared back then because issues sold millions monthly, and not the paltry 50k a month it is now.
 
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Lyrical_sl said:
Superman I, II, III, IV and Returns were all superior.
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Lyrical_sl said:
If you want to compare to Marvel, Daredevil, Elektra and Ghost Rider 1 and 2 were better.

Hell, Ang Lee's Hulk was better, for that matter.
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Trollface_sl said:
bold claim.
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Lyrical_sl said:
ssssshhh, I'm trying to power up.
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I don't know, I'm pretty slow, but maybe this is why no one is taking you seriously? You can bring up the "anyone that disagrees is labeled as a troll" theory all you want, but when you actually admit it, do you think we're just going to forget? Trollface gave up his babykiller schtick (was a little funny at least), and Araysar must have gotten tired of posting covers (was cool seeing some of those terrible old covers), so hopefully you get tired too. I don't mind if you really disliked the movie, I really don't. If everyone liked the same movies we'd never get anything new. Hell, I hate some movies that almost everyone else loved (Event Horizon and Tombstone being two notables), so I get it. But the way you're going at it, you probably secretly loved the movie, didn't you? It's ok, come in from the dark side, embrace your brothers in love!
 
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Lyrical_sl said:
And maybe if you guys keep repeating that this movie was Oscar worthy, people will believe that.
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I don't need anyone to believe anything. This whole situation is a win/win for me. I loved the movie and the movie is a success. It's getting a sequel so in a few years I get to enjoy that one as well. The only thing a bunch of crying nerds are going to do is make the second one far more enjoyable. I'll be sitting in the theater smiling at all the parts I know will have you guys raging. Hopefully we get that orphanage scene.
 
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I don't mind if you really disliked the movie, I really don't. If everyone liked the same movies we'd never get anything new. Hell, I hate some movies that almost everyone else loved (Event Horizon and Tombstone being two notables), so I get it. But the way you're going at it, you probably secretly loved the movie, didn't you? It's ok, come in from the dark side, embrace your brothers in love!
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All I said was that I was powering up. I merely stated I disliked the movie, and the Superman Apologists started negging me. You don't see me in the TV and Movie houses shitting on everything, that's not my thing. No matter what, I always tell people my unvarnished opinion. And my opinion on this one is that is was the worst comic book movie ever. They changed the essence of the character, and that is unforgivable. The only similarity between the character in the movie and in the comic books (the Christoper Reeve version) was that they both had an "S" on their chests.

What more do you want me to do? Get an independently tested polygraph and send you the results?
 
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