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It's not funny. The next time you get gangbang assraped by a bunch of teens, or come home to find your wife's head in a box Seven style, it was probably because they watched this movie, and the other ultra violent DC movies that will follow in its vein.
Karma is a bitch.
Cinge
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Wow you finally flew off the deep end(or maybe you were that way this entire time). Who would of thought simple nerd rage would turn into damnation for our future generations. You should go on fox-news.
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I think Lyrical's reason for not liking the movie is about as retarded as Dumar's trekkie-tantrum, but I still think the movie is horribly written. I mean... Goyer, the man who brought you Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, Jumper, Blade: Trinity and The Unborn (also director of these two). Also helped create the messy story of The Dark Knight Rises... basically Nolan is good when working alone (Inception) or with just his brother (The Prestige, Memento). Nolan managed to somewhat contain Goyer in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but that's it.
After years of emo superman being a pussy and dealing with 50 different kinds of kryptonite in Smallville, it was nice to just have some action. Fairly thin on plot/humor/anything else, but surprisingly enjoyable nonetheless. Fun flick as long as you know what you are getting into imo.
Hey guys, I haven't seen Man of Steel yet, I'm a bit on the fience about that movie, not sure, could some people share their opinions on this movie ?
Would greatly appreciate.
Would greatly appreciate.
Caliane
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In this movie-verse, Lex Luthor is 100% correct on his distrust of Superman.
Jor-el sent Kal-el to Earth, knowing full well, "he would be a god". He also sent him to Earth without any means of education. Clarks ship apparently was not capable of making any use of the key, or displaying holograms. he needed to find the scout ship, which was apparently pure luck?
Jor-el also made a big deal about kal-el not being genetically predispositioned, so he could make his own choices. Jor-el therefor had no idea if Kal-el would become a savoir, or sociopath. All the talk of his "destiny" is both bullshit, and flys in the face of the whole, natural birth thing.
Zod's arrival is 100% directly the result of Kryptonian actions. I won't blame Jor-el, as he was dead. it was the council that zoned Zod. But Zod when looking for colonies afterwards. it was Clark activating the scoutship with the Jor-el AI, that alerted Zod, to a living Kryptonian. They came to Earth solely for this purpose. They stayed out of spite.
Humanity was fine without Kal-el. Zods attack is 100% Kal-els fault in this movie. I would argue this is a key problem with this movie mythos. Hell, this makes Strayzinki's LOATHED "grounded" storyline correct.
Superman is a gun. a giant target that draws all this universal attacks. And FUCK you, if you write that. Superman is not a gun. He is there to defend the world vs these giant threats, that would endanger Earth. but the threats should still be there without him. Hence why he is needed.
but here, Superman indirectly caused the deaths of 100-250 thousand people, over 3 trillion dollars in property damage. And at the end, he refuses any oversight or cooperation by the government. Destroys their property.
If you were a human in this world, you would be demanding answers as well. Was Zod the only one? are their others out there? Who are you at all? why do you have these crazy powers? what happened to all that alien tech?
Now, I'm sure we can make Luther the bad guy, but having him go all sorts of crazy with his methods. but there's a real problem when his motives are 100% correct.
Luther is right, but will go about it in the wrong way...
Jor-el sent Kal-el to Earth, knowing full well, "he would be a god". He also sent him to Earth without any means of education. Clarks ship apparently was not capable of making any use of the key, or displaying holograms. he needed to find the scout ship, which was apparently pure luck?
Jor-el also made a big deal about kal-el not being genetically predispositioned, so he could make his own choices. Jor-el therefor had no idea if Kal-el would become a savoir, or sociopath. All the talk of his "destiny" is both bullshit, and flys in the face of the whole, natural birth thing.
Zod's arrival is 100% directly the result of Kryptonian actions. I won't blame Jor-el, as he was dead. it was the council that zoned Zod. But Zod when looking for colonies afterwards. it was Clark activating the scoutship with the Jor-el AI, that alerted Zod, to a living Kryptonian. They came to Earth solely for this purpose. They stayed out of spite.
Humanity was fine without Kal-el. Zods attack is 100% Kal-els fault in this movie. I would argue this is a key problem with this movie mythos. Hell, this makes Strayzinki's LOATHED "grounded" storyline correct.
Superman is a gun. a giant target that draws all this universal attacks. And FUCK you, if you write that. Superman is not a gun. He is there to defend the world vs these giant threats, that would endanger Earth. but the threats should still be there without him. Hence why he is needed.
but here, Superman indirectly caused the deaths of 100-250 thousand people, over 3 trillion dollars in property damage. And at the end, he refuses any oversight or cooperation by the government. Destroys their property.
If you were a human in this world, you would be demanding answers as well. Was Zod the only one? are their others out there? Who are you at all? why do you have these crazy powers? what happened to all that alien tech?
Now, I'm sure we can make Luther the bad guy, but having him go all sorts of crazy with his methods. but there's a real problem when his motives are 100% correct.
Luther is right, but will go about it in the wrong way...
Tuco
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You're assuming that the ship wouldn't notice it was being dissected by DARPA and send out its distress beacon like it did with Kal-el activated it.
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I'm probably stating the obvious by saying you can't be serious, but against better judgement to feed this a little bit more, the anti-hero is probably the best representation you can portray to kids since it more accurately portrays the imperfection/flaws of people now matter how "perfect" they are.
Wow...how the hell did the discussion end up here, and why did I contribute to it further?!?
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I've given your arguments a lot of credit because of your background and because you've kept them out of trolling territory; I truly believe you feel the way you've posted. And that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion just like I am. But what you wrote in the sentences above is essentially placing all of the blame on someone that had no idea what the results of their actions would be (Superman) instead of the people that actually committed the crimes (Zod etc.).
I mean, let's take an extreme example where I'm even knowingly wrong, not just completely oblivious. Say I'm a terrible pet owner and I leave my dog outside and let it bark all fucking day long. You're my neighbor and you can't take it anymore, so you shoot my dog. YOU are the one that chose to shoot the dog, not me. Sure I created the situation, but you always have the choice, I didn't force you to do what you did. To me, Superman wasn't anywhere near as guilty as my hypothetical dog owner because he had no idea what would happen. Would you know what is going to happen when breaking into an alien ship? Maybe activating it causes rainbows to shoot out and everyone's dick/boobs to grow larger. To take the analogies to even more ridiculous levels, it is akin to saying that the slutty girl is responsible for the guy raping her. No she isn't. She created the situation, sure, and used poor judgment, but the rapist is the one that chose that course. Superman didn't even dress like a slut, he wasn't "asking for it."
My point being, you are 100% placing all of the blame upon Superman just because he activated the ship (which as Tuco pointed out might have happened with us fucking with it anyway). They were going along searching all of the old sites anyway, so at some point they would have come to Earth just because the ship was there, even if Kal-El wasn't. How do we know that he doesn't just decide to trash the planet anyway? Zod is the one responsible for making his decisions, and Zod alone. Whether Kal-El precipitated the events is irrelevant, because there's always a choice, and Zod chose to destroy the planet.
Caliane
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no, to use your analogy, its more like the slutty girl inviting her friend over to her house and the friend raping her sister.
Then the sister when does kick the rapist out. continues to say "fuck you, I'll do what I want", after the sister asks her to hand over the house keys.
The sister was the one who was raped, and has every reason to be pissed off at her sister bringing this clown to her house, and has every reason to want to be able to make sure it doesn't happen again. while the slutty sister refuses to take any responsibility for her actions.
He opened the door to Zod. Then got pissy when the US tried to actually investigate him, and rightfully as they should.
Between his heritage, and directly using the Key and setting off the beacon. its his fault, even if its an accident. its still his fault.
Which is why he actions at the very end are such a problem. If he sat there and said, I'm sorry about this. That would be totally different.
End of the Superman 2. Superman replaces the American flag, and apologizes to the president for letting it happen, for not being there, when he was needed. "it won't happen again". And in that one, Zod coming to Earth wasn't even his fault. that was random chance.
In this one, its his fault, and he is totally antagonistic. Zero remorse is shown.
Luthor and every other human would be 100% in the right, in doing everything they can to investigate him, as well as blaming him and his presence for what Zod did.
Look at how Landis's calls superman and Zod adults in a world of children. superman is hiding out in a daycare. zod comes and kills the children. And when confronted after stopping zod about why hes hiding out in a daycare, superman responds by saying "its my business, ill stay here if I want to" The dynamic is totally changed. He is not here protecting us anymore, then his actions are incredibly reckless and hard to morally justify.
Then the sister when does kick the rapist out. continues to say "fuck you, I'll do what I want", after the sister asks her to hand over the house keys.
The sister was the one who was raped, and has every reason to be pissed off at her sister bringing this clown to her house, and has every reason to want to be able to make sure it doesn't happen again. while the slutty sister refuses to take any responsibility for her actions.
He opened the door to Zod. Then got pissy when the US tried to actually investigate him, and rightfully as they should.
Between his heritage, and directly using the Key and setting off the beacon. its his fault, even if its an accident. its still his fault.
Which is why he actions at the very end are such a problem. If he sat there and said, I'm sorry about this. That would be totally different.
End of the Superman 2. Superman replaces the American flag, and apologizes to the president for letting it happen, for not being there, when he was needed. "it won't happen again". And in that one, Zod coming to Earth wasn't even his fault. that was random chance.
In this one, its his fault, and he is totally antagonistic. Zero remorse is shown.
Luthor and every other human would be 100% in the right, in doing everything they can to investigate him, as well as blaming him and his presence for what Zod did.
Look at how Landis's calls superman and Zod adults in a world of children. superman is hiding out in a daycare. zod comes and kills the children. And when confronted after stopping zod about why hes hiding out in a daycare, superman responds by saying "its my business, ill stay here if I want to" The dynamic is totally changed. He is not here protecting us anymore, then his actions are incredibly reckless and hard to morally justify.
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havent read the previous 66 pages so forgive me if im mentioning things that were well covered.
overall i liked MoS. it had great cinematography. great CGI, almost nonstop action, i liked the actors casted for the roles and i even enjoyed the storyline somewhat. that all being said, i doubt i will ever watch this movie a second time, there was some jarringly unpleasant shit going on here i wouldnt ever expect or even want from a superman movie. it wasnt bad enough they killed mostly everyone in smallville, they had to kill everyone in metropolis too? seriously? and you had to show people dying horribly ala 9/11 imagery? superman is supposed to be fun, i dont know what the fuck i just saw.
overall i liked MoS. it had great cinematography. great CGI, almost nonstop action, i liked the actors casted for the roles and i even enjoyed the storyline somewhat. that all being said, i doubt i will ever watch this movie a second time, there was some jarringly unpleasant shit going on here i wouldnt ever expect or even want from a superman movie. it wasnt bad enough they killed mostly everyone in smallville, they had to kill everyone in metropolis too? seriously? and you had to show people dying horribly ala 9/11 imagery? superman is supposed to be fun, i dont know what the fuck i just saw.
You're dead on.
We would have activated the ship had Kal-El not done it first. When Zod arrives, sans Kal, he roflstomps the Earf on this way to finding the son of Jor-El. No pity party, no nothing, he would not have hesitated to genocide us, if anything, for the inconvenience.
MoS Earth is lucky that Kal-El was raised the way he was and was ready to fight Zod & Co.
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