Man of Steel

Caliane_sl said:

no, to use your analogy, its more like the slutty girl inviting her friend over to her house and the friend raping her sister.
Then the sister when does kick the rapist out. continues to say "fuck you, I'll do what I want", after the sister asks her to hand over the house keys.
The sister was the one who was raped, and has every reason to be pissed off at her sister bringing this clown to her house, and has every reason to want to be able to make sure it doesn't happen again. while the slutty sister refuses to take any responsibility for her actions.

He opened the door to Zod. Then got pissy when the US tried to actually investigate him, and rightfully as they should.

Between his heritage, and directly using the Key and setting off the beacon. its his fault, even if its an accident. its still his fault.
Which is why he actions at the very end are such a problem. If he sat there and said, I'm sorry about this. That would be totally different.

End of the Superman 2. Superman replaces the American flag, and apologizes to the president for letting it happen, for not being there, when he was needed. "it won't happen again". And in that one, Zod coming to Earth wasn't even his fault. that was random chance.
In this one, its his fault, and he is totally antagonistic. Zero remorse is shown.

Luthor and every other human would be 100% in the right, in doing everything they can to investigate him, as well as blaming him and his presence for what Zod did.
Look at how Landis's calls superman and Zod adults in a world of children. superman is hiding out in a daycare. zod comes and kills the children. And when confronted after stopping zod about why hes hiding out in a daycare, superman responds by saying "its my business, ill stay here if I want to" The dynamic is totally changed. He is not here protecting us anymore, then his actions are incredibly reckless and hard to morally justify.

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dioblaire_sl said:

This analogy is bad, and you should feel bad.

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Jesus, yeah that was horrible. You (Caliane) are totally absolving the rapist of any choice in the matter. If the slutty girl had absolutely no reason to suspect the friend of being a rapist, how is it her fault that the friend chose to rape her sister? Because she let him in she's at fault? I mean, if the guy just got out of prison for rape you'd have a point, but in the analogy to Man of Steel, she had no idea.

Now, I sort of get what you are trying to say, in that after everything happened, now they are correct in being wary of Superman. I also think part of your problem is that he doesn't seem remorseful for what happened either. I don't disagree with either of those statements, and I don't think most others would either. But your previous statement was that Superman was 100% at fault for everything that happened. That is just as false as your rape analogy above, because of the reasons I stated. You're muddying the waters a bit here, but that's what you said before, which is why I responded with the analogy.

If you're mad because Superman crashed the drone and didn't show sadness over all of the destruction, that's fine. But say that, and only that. He is NOT 100% responsible for Zod's actions any more than I am responsible if I invite you into my home and then you murder me. You have given me no indication that you are capable of murder, just like Superman had no indication that activating the ship would send out a beacon that Zod would detect and cause Zod to come to Earth and attempt genocide. Zod chose that path, just like you chose to murder me. You could have just as easily handed me a million dollars, or Zod could have been a super hot Kryptonian woman that only wanted to give Superman blowjobs all day long. You are placing all of the blame on the people that have no reason to expect something bad to happen, and none on the person that chose to take that evil route.

Does that make any sense to you, or am I just wasting my figurative breath here?