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Caliane_sl said:
Except you are swapping the analogy again. The proper analogy would be you sneak into someone elses house, and live in the attic. You leave the door unlocked, and have something I want. I come over, and murder the owner of the house's children. you know what? the owner of the house every right to be pretty pissed off at you and kick you the fuck out. but nope, you live in the attic, and the owner can't do anything about it.

Superman did not pay the price for his mistakes or heritage. Humans did. you seem to be missing that point. In this movie, it was Superman and his legacy at fault. Yes, Zod did the action, but if you open the door to a murderer, YES you are to blame as well. Or as the other analogy, if you have a hit on your head, and go hide in a daycare. kids dying is absolutely on your head, not just the killer.
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I'll try one last time, but I see that you are focusing on one specific aspect and expanding it to all-encompassing blame so it probably won't matter yet again. But I'll try.

Let's say I'm married, and I leave for work in the morning while my wife is still in bed sleeping. I forget to lock the door. Someone finds that the door is unlocked and walks in and murders my wife. Assuming that the murderer would have just walked away if the door were locked, yes, I am indirectly responsible for my wife's murder. However, the vast majority of the blame still falls on the murderer himself, because he CHOSE to commit the act. 99.999% of the time if I forgot to lock the door, nothing bad would have happened, or it would have happened whether the door was locked or not. I should feel terrible, and I should feel guilty, and I should probably check the fucking door every day from then on out...but it is still an accident, and it is still not something that I could have predicted would have happened.

You're mad at the fact that Superman didn't act guilty or distraught, and that he's upset that the government is trying to monitor him. I AGREE WITH YOU! That part was terribly portrayed (or not at all), and just a scene or two (Tuco's orphanage, a tear at the end as Superman surveyed the wreckage, or him telling the General that he vows to never let this happen again...something) would have made it much better. I AGREE! But you're conflating all of that with blaming everything on Superman. You said it multiple times, so I'm not making this shit up, you blame Superman for all of it, and that's not fair. He SHOULD feel bad about it, no doubt, and he SHOULD be working with the government to make them feel safer with him around. They did an absolutely shit job in that area, and I agree. But he's not responsible for Zod's actions any more than I am responsible for my wife's murderer's actions. What you want, essentially, is for Superman never to be allowed to be responsible for locking a door before he goes out ever again, because he failed once and horrible things happened. I get why you think that, but it still doesn't mean that he's 100% responsible for everything that happened like you keep saying.

You need to separate the two, and you aren't. I feel we will never agree on this, and that's fine, but it seems a shame because I think you're letting it cloud your judgment of the parts of the movie that were actually pretty good and entertaining. Believe me, no one wanted this movie to be perfect more than I did. It wasn't, not by a good margin. But it was still pretty damn good, and I wish that you had enjoyed it as much as I did, that's all.
 
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Lyrical you are the Superman Apologist by the actual definition. You go on and on how this movie doesn't fit your canonical take on Superman and have reached levels of zealotry you can only find in a dark ages inquisitor. Your analogies and arguments bear about as much weight as "if she floats shes a witch!" Come down from troll mountain and leave it to the real professionals like araysar.
 
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Considering the presence Lois had in this movie, I don't think it would of mattered who played it.
 
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True. And that kiss scene made absolutely no sense whatsoever. They had no reason to engage in one. *shrug* The action and Faora was enough for me I guess. *hands in his brain for recycling*
 
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I didnt like the physics. Bros throwing haymakers left and right and no recoil or anything(especially when flying all around).

Aside from that, great movie.
 
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Caliane_sl said:
Except you are swapping the analogy again. The proper analogy would be you sneak into someone elses house, and live in the attic. You leave the door unlocked, and have something I want. I come over, and murder the owner of the house's children. you know what? the owner of the house every right to be pretty pissed off at you and kick you the fuck out. but nope, you live in the attic, and the owner can't do anything about it.

Superman did not pay the price for his mistakes or heritage. Humans did. you seem to be missing that point. In this movie, it was Superman and his legacy at fault. Yes, Zod did the action, but if you open the door to a murderer, YES you are to blame as well. Or as the other analogy, if you have a hit on your head, and go hide in a daycare. kids dying is absolutely on your head, not just the killer.
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Superman didn't sneak anywhere. He was a baby sent to earth against his will. He only found out the semi-truth when he was grown up. He also used his powers to save lives as he was growing up. Superman unknowingly set the beacon of for Zod to find him. If Zod had known earth was there even without Superman on it he still would have gone there and taken it over for his race to live on. Superman did the right thing by earth and turned himself in straight away.

All in all it was a great movie. Not as good as the Batman movies but still a great start. I was more emotionally connected to Batman then Superman but maybe thats intentional. I thought the fight scenes were better then Avengers and I think it has set itself up perfectly for 2-3.
 
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Imagine if Caliane and Lyrical got together and had babies. My my oh my, would they just murder the producers of this film for how batshit (supershit) crazy they are.

Still waiting for you guys to produce your own movie.
 
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I like how the first act of the movie was basically showing a Superman who really wanted someone he could punch without splattering their guts everywhere. And when he's finally given a chance he just goes absolutely apeshit with it, and now the sequel will probably be a lot of "uh, shit, that didn't work out so well."

Hopefully the sequel isn't entirely taken over by Superman having panic attacks from his PTSD. Because obviously the criticism of the ending will lead to that point getting hammered home, because his anguished wail wasn't enough to show that he really, really didn't like being forced to wipe out his own race, even if they were a bunch of cunts. And I can imagine them ripping off Smallville and having a 'legit' Lex that is using "protecting mankind" as an excuse to develop weapons and tech to deal with the kind of threat shown in this movie. He'd represent the people that don't buy into the idea that Superman will always be around to save the day, but with a healthy dose of megalomania working against him.

They could easily bring in Brainiac too, with the way Kryptonian technology was portrayed here. That seems more likely than them doing something like Doomsday or Darkseid.

So I saw this today, and there was this old retarded lady a few seats down that kept making these weird honking noises. And then when the dog was on screen, she blurts out DONKEY.
 
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Kreugen_sl said:
I like how the first act of the movie was basically showing a Superman who really wanted someone he could punch without splattering their guts everywhere. And when he's finally given a chance he just goes absolutely apeshit with it, and now the sequel will probably be a lot of "uh, shit, that didn't work out so well."

Hopefully the sequel isn't entirely taken over by Superman having panic attacks from his PTSD. Because obviously the criticism of the ending will lead to that point getting hammered home, because his anguished wail wasn't enough to show that he really, really didn't like being forced to wipe out his own race, even if they were a bunch of cunts. And I can imagine them ripping off Smallville and having a 'legit' Lex that is using "protecting mankind" as an excuse to develop weapons and tech to deal with the kind of threat shown in this movie. He'd represent the people that don't buy into the idea that Superman will always be around to save the day, but with a healthy dose of megalomania working against him.

They could easily bring in Brainiac too, with the way Kryptonian technology was portrayed here. That seems more likely than them doing something like Doomsday or Darkseid.

So I saw this today, and there was this old retarded lady a few seats down that kept making these weird honking noises. And then when the dog was on screen, she blurts out DONKEY.
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Red Sun Lex. Brainiac too. That's the sequel Gotham deserves.

Do it Snyder, do it.
 
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so finally saw it. goyer's writing is derp as usual. The only part i thought was so dumb was his dad running back to save the dog then standing there and dying. 100% lazy fucking plot movement.
 
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I give it a pass for not developing Superman at all because holy fuck we just had like 110 episodes of Smallville, we fucking get it already. Just show us the differences and move on. I think they accomplished that well enough. Plus, the Kyrpton shit looked awesome. Sure, Jor-El vs Zod was far more personal and interesting than Zod/Superman, but whatever. Smallville had an entire season of that.

But yeah, they really could have done the tornado bit and the ending better. At least had a conversation at the end where he's like, "even if I covered his eyes or grabbed him and flew away, or tried to lure him out to a desert to fight, he would have found a way to keep hurting people until I was forced to kill him. Weren't you listening to the shit he said right before I snapped his neck?"

The main derp to me though was that they went with the secret identity thing. Lois Lane figured him out in one fucking montage, and that was before he was flying about in full view. In the internet age that shit would take five seconds. I really thought they were going to dump that absurdity.

Maybe the sequel will reveal that the government went around silencing all of those witnesses. Supes wouldn't be too happy about that. Murder anyone lately, Chloe?
 
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Is that Faora? She's awesome. We need a movie entirely of her fucking shit up. Superman issonot interesting.
 
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Adult Swim stole my joke last night, but there version was funnier. Bump describing the movie read "Longest DBZ Episode Ever."
 
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