Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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Alex

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Isn't your dad the guy that owned his own business and was successful and the divorce destroyed him?
 

Heylel

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Yep. I have lunch with him every week or two, and he talks about just moving away a lot. I'm starting to think that might be his plan. If so, I have a feeling I'm about to inherit a gigantic mess.
 

Gavinmad

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Yep. I have lunch with him every week or two, and he talks about just moving away a lot. I'm starting to think that might be his plan. If so, I have a feeling I'm about to inherit a gigantic mess.
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No seriously, don't sign his power of attorney.
 

Heylel

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I'm not even sure what it's for yet. I'm not worried that he's putting me on the hook for anything legally (pretty sure it has to do with a building sale), but I suspect a huge pain in the ass.
 

Heylel

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No. It just means I can represent him in transactions and handle his finances. The hassle is going to be setting up and maintaining separate accounts.
 

Phazael

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On the misogyny topic (mostly addressing Lindz), man are fucking dogs who cheat to get their dick wet, end of story. Women take it to a whole other level with the detached materialism that goes on with swinging from one dick to the next like tarzan, though. They will plan that shit out and justify it in their minds to the point where they get into this psycho loop of feeling like they have to destroy you to justify their upgrade maneuver, and they will usually have a circle of female friends who will reinforce this behavior. With men, it just boils down to weakness, horniness, and opportunity. There is no plan to end a relationship or make the women he cheated on miserable, they are just trying to get their dick wet in a moment of lapsed moral judgment. A man might upgrade to some young dumb hotty if he comes into money, but he is far more likely to maintain the current relationship and just maintain some dumb slut on the side than ditch out on a long term existing relationship. Usually when a main bails, it is because the woman is fucking crazy, cheated on him, or her friends/family are too much bullshit for him to handle. Take a gander in this thread (and the non J49 parts of the GWBYH thread) and you will find that as a recurring theme. You are, by far, the exception and not the rule when it comes to women. I am fortunate that my wife is pretty much in the same category, but she has her own quirks and crazy that I get to cope with.

I am not excusing men letting their dicks make their choices for them, but it takes a special kind of rationalization and malice to secure a second relationship before letting the old branch go and then go out of your way to make the person you just ditched miserable out of some self rationalized sense of justification. Men are just stupid and weak, not malicious. But years of being subjected to crazy will make us malicious, I admit.

@Heylel-
Are you tight enough with your father to want to be left holding the drama bag? Odds are good that if he bails and you are at all party to his affairs that his evil ex will swivel the guns around and point them at you if this goes down how you are hinting.
 

Heylel

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Said "evil ex" is my mother, and she's not especially evil. He just truly doesn't want her to get her alimony, enough that he's taking such drastic steps.

edit: I've been calling around for whatever guidance I could find all day, and it sounds like at least the power of attorney part of this is fairly straightforward. I am not actually responsible for his debts, nor could I be held liable for anything. The way he talks, he thinks he is giving me everything, and I don't think that is legally the case. I am going to need to get that cleared up.
 

Phazael

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Women use their children as pawns in divorce wars all the time. Maybe your mother is not that special brand of crazy, but I would not rule out her using you as a proxy punching bag for your father if he flies the coop.
 

Haast

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Just the cheating, I don't know, it is bad and all but it really isn't the end of the world. The stories that really get me is when the person goes the extra mile to fuck up the other person's life after already hurting them or cheating or whatever. People like that are scumbags. People who cheat are just weak, or have a lot of opportunity.
This is well put.

It's one thing to have the "moment of weakness" and cheat. Maybe you're going through a rough patch, booze is involved, etc. In fact, if such an incident occurred and my wife admitted it to me and it was believable, I think I'd get over it. It would take a lot of effort, but it would be resolvable.

Problem is, that's rarely the case. It's usually not a momentary slip, for either sex. Its a habit, a routine. Phaezel, you defeated your own women vs. men malice argument when you admitted its typically a habitual occurrence for men that cheat. Habitual disrespect of your partner is malicious. This kind of situation would be an instant relationship ender for me. But if kids were involved, I could probably be cordial with an ex... if they didn't fuck me over on the way out.

If the cheater brought in a high power divorce attorney and started trying to grab with both hands on the way out, I don't like to think about the actions I would consider taking.

Any bros been in that situation and gone down some dark mental paths?
 

Phazael

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Not sure where I implied it was habitual, but I do agree that there are men who are habitual cheaters, just like their are women who cheat habitually (ask anyone in military service with a wife back home). Unless you were talking about the dude who comes into money and gets a ho bag 20 something mistress, but that due is a special kind of scumbag. Even then, that scenario is far less frequent than a woman who is psycho and makes her husband jump through emotional hoops for the most basic shit on a daily basis. Even then, the typical male cheater is generally not ending his real relationship, he is just being a complete disrespectful asshole. The whole process women go through when they make sure their hand is wrapped around the next dick before letting go of the last one, then mentally justifying emotionally bulldozing the previous dude when she does bail, is a lot more sadistic than "My wife is not putting out and I am tapping this shit on the side". But neither are morally acceptable, obviously.

Also, what you are describing as being a recoverable cheating scenario is physical cheating, which is what most male cheaters engage in. Unless they are trying to dump the crazy, no man goes out looking for a woman to start a relationship with. And certainly no average man is going to ditch out on a long term relationship that he feels is going well to try and upgrade to a slightly better one. Women do that shit ALL the fucking time, then they rationalize it in their minds and punish the fuck out of the previous guy to feel justified. Plus they brainwash you into thinking it was your fucking fault.

Look at Onoes's situation. Wife basically stopped putting out and was lining up her next dick behind his back. They agree to separate, but he is still buying HER shit for her new house and she has the balls to bitch when he won't buy some extra bullshit for her. And the dude thinks it was amicable and that he is not going to get royally fucked down the road.... sure maybe. But its a lot more likely she is already balling meal ticket number two and waiting for the papers to go through (not that it would change anything, but she probably feels better about herself waiting to get it out in the open) and she had made the plan to switch to a new dude a long time ago. In fact, I am willing to wager that the guy Onoes caught her sexting with over a year ago is going to end up moving in and raw dogging her on the new bed he was nice enough to buy her sometime later this year. Meanwhile, poor Onoes is so starved for pussy that he almost got locked down to the first crazy facebook hookup that got tossed in his lap. I would also further wager (based on a friend's past situation) that she nailed her pussy shut as a gambit to get him to cheat so she could feel justified in dumping him, but he was too loyal to stray before her careless behavior led her to being caught in the act, but that's just speculation. And this is a relatively friendly and benign female initiated separation.
 

Crone

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Over the last week or so, I've read this entire thread. I'm not sure exactly how I would describe how I feel. Somewhere in between depressed for humanity, and shocked at all the crazy.
 

TrollfaceDeux

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all the more power to him if he wants to get out of alimony. that shit is fucking medieval era relic.
 

Haast

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Not sure where I implied it was habitual, but I do agree that there are men who are habitual cheaters. Unless you were talking about the dude who comes into money and gets a ho bag 20 something mistress, but that due is a special kind of scumbag.
Misread your post a little bit. My bad. I saw the part about big money and mistresses, and applied it generally.
 

Eomer

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all the more power to him if he wants to get out of alimony. that shit is fucking medieval era relic.
If memory serves, Heylel has posted a fair amount in the past about what his dad's gotten up to, and my recollection is that he pretty much deserves 98% of the shit flung his way for being an ignorant, stubborn, fucking asshole.
 

TrollfaceDeux

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Alimony is a retarded law anyhow. i am not in any position to say whether he deserves whatever he is getting.
 

Heylel

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If memory serves, Heylel has posted a fair amount in the past about what his dad's gotten up to, and my recollection is that he pretty much deserves 98% of the shit flung his way for being an ignorant, stubborn, fucking asshole.
Let's just say he has had opportunities to remedy the situation and chose not to take them. The whole situation didn't exactly happen *to* him. He was complicit in it, whether he realizes it or not.
 

Tarrant

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Man all this cheating stuff just made me relive parts of my own divorce. My ex wife still hates me because she cheated on me. (she actually told me that)
 

Gavinmad

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This thread makes forever alone seem better and better every day.

j/k im gonna kill myself soon