Marriage and the Power of Divorce

  • Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!



    Go here and give us your nominations!
    Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!

Joeboo

Molten Core Raider
8,157
140
It still blows my mind that married couples have separate accounts these days. If you get divorced it's not like that money is going to stay separate....so fuck it. That's my line of thinking anyways.

And if I cant trust her with my (our) money then why am I with her?
My wife and I each put like 90% of our income into joint checking/savings, but we do still have our seperate checking accounts that we had pre-marriage to keep that little extra amount in. It's basically our play money. If I want to go out drinking with the guys without her, or buy a new video card, it comes out of my personal account. She does the same when she gets her hair done or buys new shoes. Anything for the house, for the kid, or for us jointly all comes out of the joint accounts.

That way I don't have to worry about her complaining that I bought a $500 video card, and she doesn't have to worry about me freaking out that she bought a $500 purse.

Works well so far.
 

TrollfaceDeux

Pronouns: zie/zhem/zer
<Bronze Donator>
19,577
3,743
For all the men in here saying salary shouldn't play into things you're right. If I make 1.2 million a year and she makes 200k a year there should be no quarrel. That woman has defined herself and excelled at what she does. I have to ask myself why a woman is satisfied with a $16/hr job. The reason, more often than not, is because she has a man to take care of her. She doesn't need ambition. It's immature and an ancient line of thought. There is a serious double standard with this. It would be perfectly acceptable for a woman to tell a man she felt was not pulling his weight in the salary department to man up and do better for his family. It would be perfectly acceptable for a woman to leave a man over it. It's OK for a man to be expected to be a provider. It's not OK for a woman to be expected to be a caretaker.
goddamn, truth. *fist bump* problem after recession (2008) was just that. women were leaving their partners in droves after their husband lost their job, stay home. It was awkward as fuck for everyone involved and family dynamic completely shifted to the point of no resolution.

it certainly was awkward for me when my dad wasn't working for some time and got fired over fight with his employer. weird days.
 

Deathwing

<Bronze Donator>
16,744
7,768
Mkopec, honest question, why doesn't your wife have a better job? My assumption is complacency and apathy. Neither of which would be tolerated by her if the roles were reversed. So why should I tolerate a woman treating me like a safety net?
Very dangerous assumptions to make for a personal question. Maybe part time was all she could find, dentistry is tightly controlled by demand(i.e. population of the area). It's not like the dentist's office is going to go through a hiring boom one year. Maybe she decided to work part time so she could still support raising the kids after school.

You do not afford her, specifically, anything. Your salary affords the both of you, together, lots of stuff. And in return, her decisions afford you lots of stuff. Maybe it's not monetary. I'm a terrible decorator. If I lived alone, my walls would be bare as shit. I just can't be bothered to make a place look "nice". My wife does that for me and she enjoys doing it.

Fuck, just finding someone that puts up with all my annoying traits and lets me fuck her is worth all the salary difference. You gotta stop looking at just the money. Every time you think "hey, that's annoying and I make more money than her", take a step back because you're probably doing 5 things to annoy her.
 

Khane

Got something right about marriage
20,346
14,012
Yeah bad wording. I didn't mean to make it sound as though I thought his wife was worthless. I directed a general question specifically at his wife. Not the intention. In broader terms, why don't most women try to find better jobs?
 

Khane

Got something right about marriage
20,346
14,012
You do not afford her, specifically, anything. Your salary affords the both of you, together, lots of stuff. And in return, her decisions afford you lots of stuff. Maybe it's not monetary. I'm a terrible decorator. If I lived alone, my walls would be bare as shit. I just can't be bothered to make a place look "nice". My wife does that for me and she enjoys doing it.

Fuck, just finding someone that puts up with all my annoying traits and lets me fuck her is worth all the salary difference. You gotta stop looking at just the money. Every time you think "hey, that's annoying and I make more money than her", take a step back because you're probably doing 5 things to annoy her.
Ahh see, that's exactly what I am getting at. I am not looking at just the money, I'm looking at the things the two of you help each other with. You see and appreciate your wife's ability to make your house feel like a home, something you know you can't or wouldn't do. That's a mutual respect. My problem is when a woman fails to see the things she would be without that you bring to the table and focuses on what's fair just because she works 40 hours a week too. And then cheats on her husband for 2 fucking years while she solidifies her ability to move to the next limb on the tree without having to climb down and start all over again. And on top of it all has the audacity to proclaim he doesn't appreciate her, when she herself does not appreciate him.

By the way I realize there are plenty of women out there who aren't like that. I've dated quite a few strong, independent women over the past two years. Problem is they are mostly really goddamn boring... So I guess I should point the finger at myself as well. I want to have my cake and eat it too, just like the women I've been bitching about the past 2 pages.
 

Joeboo

Molten Core Raider
8,157
140
Woman are empowered now, they can and do work. The problem is when they act like a high schooler working at K-Mart. "I got a job, I got a car, I'm impressive". No, you aren't. If you look around your place of employment and see nothing but losers and teenagers there is an issue. So many women will incite a riot over you pushing them to do better for themselves. Mkopec, honest question, why doesn't your wife have a better job? My assumption is complacency and apathy. Neither of which would be tolerated by her if the roles were reversed. So why should I tolerate a woman treating me like a safety net?

I see a lot of anecdotal evidence about people who work shit jobs working "harder" than their breadwinner partners. That is a ridiculous assumption. Serving coffee to strangers 8 hours a day is not harder than being an IT administrator. "But I'm on my feet all day long and I only get 30 minutes for lunch and one 15 minute break". That makes it tedious, not hard. How many of your wives are busting their ass landscaping 10 hours a day for $20/hr? How many of you men truly get to leave your job at the office and turn off the second you get in your car to go home?
The real issue there isn't necessarily a male vs female thing, it's more of a "don't marry a loser" issue. Whether you are male or female, don't hitch yourself to someone with no ambition that is content with living in a 1 bedroom apartment and eating off of food stamps and driving a beater 1986 Honda Civic if they didn't have you. Or at least, if you are going to marry that person, make sure your ambitions are roughly the same.

Us guys get influenced way too much by looks when choosing a partner. Pretty does not equal successful. I don't want to be married to someone that looks like Susan Boyle, but I'm also not going to consider marrying someone that looks like Kate Upton if she's so dumb that she couldn't even get through high school and has been working the fry rack at McDonalds for the last 5 years.

It's really just about making sure your priorities and goals line up with your partners. No amount of "making things even" by having them do more chores to make up for lake of income & ambition is going to work for very long. That shit's doomed from the start.
 

Noodleface

A Mod Real Quick
38,278
15,112
I make 3x my wife and I sit on reddit/rerolled all day while she has to do walking routes delivering mail for the USPS. It is crazy.
 

Deathwing

<Bronze Donator>
16,744
7,768
Yeah bad wording. I didn't mean to make it sound as though I thought his wife was worthless. I directed a general question specifically at his wife. Not the intention. In broader terms, why don't most women try to find better jobs?
Why don't most people try to find better jobs? There's always ways to improve yourself, no matter what you make or what you do. But self improvement is one of the hardest things to consistently do. And yes, I realize the irony of post this while at work. Didn't say I was good at it...

As for women specifically, at this point you're into a whole myriad of cultural influences. But I will say that women tend to gravitate towards jobs that pay less. Teachers and cooks and dental assistants are dominated women. Even if I wanted to work in a daycare, I probably wouldn't because I'd probably be fired in a week for making a sexist remark.

That's why I said you have to forget the number. If you really want your spouse to earn more, that might mean pushing them into a career they are unhappy working. And that is not worth any amount of money. There are other ways for you to measure success and ambition. My wife wants to open a home daycare. A home business is not something I'd ever consider in my job, and she wants to staff it with little kids. That seems plenty ambitious for me. So when she asked if she could quit her job to focus on that, I said yes, requisite a few conditions that didn't happen
frown.png
. But if they had, essentially me getting a pay bump at my new job, I would have had no problem with it.

Ahh see, that's exactly what I am getting at. I am not looking at just the money, I'm looking at the things the two of you help each other with. You see and appreciate your wife's ability to make your house feel like a home, something you know you can't or wouldn't do. That's a mutual respect. My problem is when a woman fails to see the things she would be without that you bring to the table and focuses on what's fair just because she works 40 hours a week too. And then cheats on her husband for 2 fucking years while she solidifies her ability to move to the next limb on the tree without having to climb down and start all over again. And on top of it all has the audacity to proclaim he doesn't appreciate her, when she herself does not appreciate him.

By the way I realize there are plenty of women out there who aren't like that. I've dated quite a few strong, independent women over the past two years. Problem is they are mostly really goddamn boring... So I guess I should point the finger at myself as well. I want to have my cake and eat it too, just like the women I've been bitching about the past 2 pages.
Honestly, joeboo's story just sounds like shitty people, that's all. The wife just happened to be making less money. I'm betting it's almost inconsequential to the result.

You're still using "what you bring to the table". It's not a healthy relationship if you have to even imply what her life would be like without you. Let me bold this for youyour salary is not part of the relationship. What you make and what she makes is influenced by so many different things outside of your control. If I decided to be a petroleum engineer, I could probably making double what I do now. Because oil rules! And I'm great with numbers, I have no doubt I could be at least a decent petroleum engineer. Why can't my wife hold that against me?
 

Frenzied Wombat

Potato del Grande
14,730
31,803
By the way I realize there are plenty of women out there who aren't like that. I've dated quite a few strong, independent women over the past two years. Problem is they are mostly really goddamn boring... So I guess I should point the finger at myself as well. I want to have my cake and eat it too, just like the women I've been bitching about the past 2 pages.
Yeah, I've noticed that too, what's with that? Dated quite a few professional career types (doctors, lawyers, etc) and while you get that reliability/responsibility aspect fulfilled, they have as much personality as wallpaper. Started to seriously feel that maybe I have some subconscious white knight syndrome or (god forbid, I'd kill myself), somehow need a chick with drama?
 

TrollfaceDeux

Pronouns: zie/zhem/zer
<Bronze Donator>
19,577
3,743
mostly, women sacrifice their career to be with their kids. men sacrifice their time with their kids to pursue careers.
 

Khane

Got something right about marriage
20,346
14,012
I make 3x my wife and I sit on reddit/rerolled all day while she has to do walking routes delivering mail for the USPS. It is crazy.
This is what I mean though. Her job may be a pain but it certainly isn't hard. She has to walk and stick mail in people's mailboxes, and deal with the occasional dog (OK, so that really sucks). You sit on reddit/rerolled all day? If that's true you need to apply yourself Noodlebro. Don't get complacent and be one of those 45 year old retards who has never gotten a promotion in his life and complains about how the new guy got an office and he's still stuck in a cubicle. You went to school and made that life for yourself.

I had a 6 month stint where I literally had nothing to do at my last job because projects kept getting shelved. My girlfriend at the time who worked part time as a lifetouch school photographer kept bitching at me when I worked from home and sat in front of the TV all day. "Wow you work really hard, must be tough being you. I wish I could sit around doing nothing all day". My response was very simple. "You could, so go do it. Nothing is stopping you." Shut her up real quick. What is stopping all these women from having the same kinds of fuck off jobs all their husbands supposedly have?
 

Joeboo

Molten Core Raider
8,157
140
But I will say that women tend to gravitate towards jobs that pay less. Teachers and cooks and dental assistants are dominated women.
This also raises the question, do women gravitate towards low paying jobs, or are those jobs low paying because they're always traditionally been jobs for women, so the low pay was just accepted for decades.

Hell, if daycare had always been run by men, that shit would probably pay $100 an hour, because fuck taking care of a dozen kids at once, lol.
 

Khane

Got something right about marriage
20,346
14,012
This also raises the question, do women gravitate towards low paying jobs, or are those jobs low paying because they're always traditionally been jobs for women, so the low pay was just accepted for decades.

Hell, if daycare had always been run by men, that shit would probably pay $100 an hour, because fuck taking care of a dozen kids at once, lol.
Daycare always has been run by men. Literally, they own and run it, and make cash hand over fist doing so. They hire women because women like to believe they are nurturing and want to be around kids all day. Also, women suck at figuring out what they want to be when they grow up, so they just think "I'll do something with kids!"
 

Tarrant

<Prior Amod>
15,801
9,212
My wife and I each put like 90% of our income into joint checking/savings, but we do still have our seperate checking accounts that we had pre-marriage to keep that little extra amount in. It's basically our play money. If I want to go out drinking with the guys without her, or buy a new video card, it comes out of my personal account. She does the same when she gets her hair done or buys new shoes. Anything for the house, for the kid, or for us jointly all comes out of the joint accounts.

That way I don't have to worry about her complaining that I bought a $500 video card, and she doesn't have to worry about me freaking out that she bought a $500 purse.

Works well so far.
Yup, the wife and I do this too, works awesomely.
 

Frenzied Wombat

Potato del Grande
14,730
31,803
This also raises the question, do women gravitate towards low paying jobs, or are those jobs low paying because they're always traditionally been jobs for women, so the low pay was just accepted for decades.

Hell, if daycare had always been run by men, that shit would probably pay $100 an hour, because fuck taking care of a dozen kids at once, lol.
They're low pay because they're low skill. If men did daycare it would still pay $10 an hour. There's a big difference between a hard job and a shitty job. Being a brain surgeon is hard, being a janitor is just shitty. Watching children doesn't take skill or learning-- if it did humans would be extinct long ago.
 

TrollfaceDeux

Pronouns: zie/zhem/zer
<Bronze Donator>
19,577
3,743
Daycare always has been run by men. Literally, they own and run it, and make cash hand over fist doing so. They hire women because women like to believe they are nurturing and want to be around kids all day. Also, women suck at figuring out what they want to be when they grow up, so they just think "I'll do something with kids!"
it used to be that men would be hired frequently because people back then (1910ish) believed that men would provide good direction and stronger foundation for the kids. now, it's all about nurturing and feel good shit.
 

Deathwing

<Bronze Donator>
16,744
7,768
This also raises the question, do women gravitate towards low paying jobs, or are those jobs low paying because they're always traditionally been jobs for women, so the low pay was just accepted for decades.

Hell, if daycare had always been run by men, that shit would probably pay $100 an hour, because fuck taking care of a dozen kids at once, lol.
I didn't mean to imply that women like, subconsciously, getting paid less, so the choose low paying careers. It was more that "women do this job, so I'll do this job". But your point about acceptance of low pay in female dominated jobs is also good. There so many factors that influence what a woman gets paid that you can't just chalk it up to "why don't they just get better jobs?" I mean, seriously, read that line again, it's fucking ridiculous. Here's how ridiculous it is:

why-dont-poor-people-just-buy-more-money.jpg


I'm bad at memes, but modify it in your heads accordingly. Khane, Frenzied Wombat...you're Mitt Romney, scratching your heads, wondering why women just don't get better jobs.