Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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Big Phoenix

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The bigger problem, as Cutlery pointed out, is many men are willing to ignore anything and everything a woman says or does if she's pretty and his friends think she's a looker.
Truer words have never been spoken. Ignoring redflags at the early stages is the worst mistake you will ever make.
 
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Truer words have never been spoken. Ignoring redflags at the early stages is the worst mistake you will ever make.
This this this this.

Looks only go so far. Lots of women rely on them. Zero in on their personality for a litmus test.

Girl I just started dating almost never wears makeup and I don't think she even owns a purse. It's fucking awesome. (Makeup is deceiving bullshit)
 
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Noodleface

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My wife has only worn makeup one time since we dated and that was on her wedding day. Some people said I was a liar
 
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Soygen

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I don't care how hot you are. If you genuinely come at me with some patriarchy bullshit, I'm out.
 
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I mean, I feel the same way in a dating or socializing context. But when its your wife and the mother of your children spouting political bullshit?
 

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I mean, I feel the same way in a dating or socializing context. But when its your wife and the mother of your children spouting political bullshit?
I would make it very clear that I wouldn't put up with that. If that's untenable for her, then it would be a deal breaker. I can deal with a lot of undesirable personality traits, but SJW/post-modernist/3rd wave feminism bullshit would 100% be a deal breaker. Not sure how I could cohabitate with someone I diametrically disagree with.
 
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It's kind of weird since she's a house wife. Isn't she the living embodiment of the OPPOSITE of what feminists want? Wouldn't she actually be happier if Deathwing truly made more than female counterparts (this is bullshit by the way, we pay all engineers the same - give or take negotiations and tenure).

It just blows my mind that people think like this. That the man is holding them down. THE PATRIARCHY
 
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Soygen

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It just blows my mind that people think like this. That the man is holding them down. THE PATRIARCHY
You're thinking rationally about it. It's not a principled belief system. It's an indoctrinated/taught bunch of bullshit. I assume she has a friend or online community that is feeding her this shit.
 
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You're thinking rationally about it. It's not a principled belief system. It's an indoctrinated/taught bunch of bullshit. I assume she has a friend or online community that is feeding her this shit.
or has the tv on while at home all day? They play ABC news all day in the common area at my office and sometimes I think I am living in a dream-world where the media has become 24/7 propaganda. it's pretty gross
 
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Deathwing

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I'm working on it. It's not going to be overnight but there is promise. I showed her that article about the female Swedish hockey team striking for "equitable conditions". The article wasn't translated and "equitable conditions" is vague enough that you can't 100% be certain it's about pay. But it allowed me to segue into the US team and her first response is that they should be paid based on revenue :D

I sweated that decision for 5 minutes thinking it was going to be another night of arguing. But instead I was able to shit on the Women's National team AND Title IX all with her agreeing.

About the housewife bit, I don't think that's anti feminist. People who claim to be feminist may be against it, but they're charlatans. If you decide to be a housewife, that choice should be available to you, money and etc withstanding.
 

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It's because her friends say it. Or maybe just one friend. Or maybe it's the media atmosphere that she finds attractive.

I'd nope out if it was just a dating situation and have before. Not about patriarchy shit specifically, i've never had a woman pull that on me. But there are very many ways for a woman to attempt to lazily take advantage. Same as a man, but I don't date men.

However if it's a wife... god, that's truly miserable. You can't just nope out anymore. There's no option but to fight.
 

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That kind of thing doesn't just happen one day though. A person becoming open to those kinds of ideas isn't usually just a switch that gets flipped one day when someone says something that magically changes their mind. I guess it could happen but it's comically unlikely. So if you're married to this person you've probably just ignored all the things that were leading up to that point and now pretending you're being blindsided.

Not saying that's the case here with Deathwing, he's been complaining about her slow descent for a while, but it's worthy of an eye roll when I hear other men talk that way. As if their wife/gf suddenly changed out of the blue one afternoon in April.
 
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moonarchia

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Half-assedly. She's gone to women's marches, which are really just anti Trump marches. She's gone to those Pride events. Which is not to say women and gay people don't have issues worth fighting for. When I've asked her about that, she had some decent answers. So, not knocking her for that. Just showing you the level of "caught up" she's at.

@Ishad No. She used to babysit up until recently, but those kids are now in school. She would like to train to be a doula.
A dueler? Is that even a thing anymore?
 

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That kind of thing doesn't just happen one day though. A person becoming open to those kinds of ideas isn't usually just a switch that gets flipped one day when someone says something that magically changes their mind. I guess it could happen but it's comically unlikely. So if you're married to this person you've probably just ignored all the things that were leading up to that point and now pretending you're being blindsided.

Not saying that's the case here with Deathwing, he's been complaining about her slow descent for a while, but it's worthy of an eye roll when I hear other men talk that way. As if their wife/gf suddenly changed out of the blue one afternoon in April.
Agree on the slow descent. Doesn't she have a cross stitched fuck men thing
 

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"Fuck the Patriarchy" gifted to her by a friend. Even if I eventually convince her that Patriarchy is a boogeyman in every sense of the cliche, the gift aspect complicates things. Women won't just outright tell each other the truth. I'm imagining some stupid sitcom episode where you have to wear racist grandma's christmas sweater when she visits.
 

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"Fuck the Patriarchy" gifted to her by a friend. Even if I eventually convince her that Patriarchy is a boogeyman in every sense of the cliche, the gift aspect complicates things. Women won't just outright tell each other the truth. I'm imagining some stupid sitcom episode where you have to wear racist grandma's christmas sweater when she visits.
Regarding the equal pay, tell her that you agree that the Us women should be paid more that US men, but not more or equal to Germany men’s.
Buy her an Alex Morgan shirt and tell you support them.
 
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Crone

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So we have another woman up in here that won't clean the house despite being a house-wife. Wife told me the other day, to just get used to the house being dirty because it'll never be clean.

We've had a number of productive conversations on the topic, and it came down to when I come home on Fridays, and then don't do shit all weekend in terms of cleaning up the house, doing any dishes, etc, and then Monday morning rolls around and there's all this shit, she gets pissed, and then doesn't want to do anything. So then I'm like ok, fair enough, I need to contribute more around the house on the weekend. So I do, but then it still happens, and she gets to pull the excuse that it was a busy hard week with the 3 kids.

Thing is, I'm gone all week for work. I leave Monday morning and come home Friday afternoon. She could do jack shit all week, put in an hour Friday morning, and I'd be happy because it'd be cleaned up when I come home. But no, that's too hard.