Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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That's really what it is. Men strive for greatness, women strive for mediocrity. Rejection is a far greater blow for women than for men according to that data in my eyes.

You know what the funny thing about that is? Desires align. Women go for men they feel are less attractive than them, men go for women they feel are more attractive than them. It works out for everyone.
 
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Right, which is a conclusion you could draw too. But one that still implicitly reinforces unrealistic standards.


Khane, I'm not sure that would be 'funny', per se. Unless you want a whole ton of spinsters, this is basically a zero sum game. Men striving for greatness(and succeeding) forces women to strive for mediocrity. Or go unmarried.
 
Himeo

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What this shows is actually the opposite of the bullshit Himeo was peddling. Men are even with their rating distribution, but tend to go after the top very dramatically. Women are much more negative in their rating distribution, but tend to go after the bottom somewhat moderately.
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You don't understand what I posted.

Hypergamy describes two sets of behaviors. One, is a slanted sexual attraction to the very best men available. The vagina only tingles for the "best". This is called Alpha fucks.

The second set is the desire to secure a provider male to pay for and raise their alpha children. Women "settle" for a man they cuckold. This is called beta bucks.

Alpha fucks, beta bucks. OkCupid is a perfect data set validating Hypergamy.
 
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So are you saying that all children women have are those of Alphas that betas raise?
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Of course not. Statistics show one in ten. I'm saying it's probably higher than that.

One in ten children born in wedlock are not the fathers. This statistic does not include single mothers that marry a beta to raise their kids.

In our modern society women pre-emptively cuckold their husbands by being single mothers. Then right before they hit the wall, around 30, they "settle" for a beta male provider.
 
Khane

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I just realized your avatar is Faith No More's King for a Day, Fool for a Lifetime. I'd date you if I was gay mkopec.
 
mkopec

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^^^^Good shit, isnt it?

I understand the red pill theory and what its all about. I have read much into it. But that shit is just painted so black and white and does not really represent reality in the real world. Yeah women intrinsically are hypergamous, but not all of them act on it, or even feel the urge to do so.

You can read that shit until you want to commit suicide, its that bad. I just picture 10,000 fat nerds bitching about how women suck. Same as I picture 10,000 fat unattractive females bitching about misogyny and SWJ shit. They should just get together and make fat, ugly kids and be happy.
 
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Himeo_sl said:
Of course not. Statistics show one in ten. I'm saying it's probably higher than that.

One in ten is children born in wedlock are not the fathers. This also includes single mothers that marry a beta to raise their kids.

In our modern society women pre-emptively cuckold their husbands by being single mothers. Then right before they hit the wall, around 30, they "settle" for a beta male provider.
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What's the statistic without including single mothers who marry someone who is not the father?
 
Himeo

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What's the statistic without including single mothers who marry someone who is not the father?
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One in ten is the statistic without including single mothers who marry someone who is not the father.

Mommy's little secret
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A British survey conducted between 1988 and 1996 by Robin Baker, a former professor at the University of Manchester, confirmed the 10-per-cent figure [for paternity fraud]. That seems high to skeptics such as Dalhousie University geneticist Paul Neumann, although even he admitted that "my colleague, who's a woman, tells me women have no trouble believing it. . . . It's the men who can't."
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Khane

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Himeo_sl said:
One in ten is the statistic without including single mothers who marry someone who is not the father.
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Do you spend a lot of time thinking about and researching this shit? Does it drive your interaction with women? Seems really unhealthy.
 
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That statistic is in Sperm Wars, which is a pretty fascinating book all in its own. Assuming you think human sexuality is interesting. I hesitate to seem like I am agreeing with Himeo because I think TRP stuff is pretty shallow in terms of its analysis of human beings, but wealthy men the cuckolding approaches 0%. Low-income it is closer to 30%. So women are basically more likely to cheat on you and trick you into raising someone else's kid if you're poor and the likelihood goes down as you get wealthier. The overall is 10%, but it is worth looking at the curve across socioeconomic levels.
 
Himeo

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I love bitches. I posted this stuff in detail earlier in the thread, including a TL;DR and people still can't be bothered.

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It would be more accurate to say that thefemale sexual instinct is hypergamous. Men may have a tendency to seek sexual variety, but women have simple tastes in the manner of Oscar Wilde: They are always satisfied with the best. By definition, only one man can be the best. These different male and female "sexual orientations" are clearly seen among the lower primates, e.g., in a baboon pack.Females compete to mate at the top, males to get to the top.

Hypergamy is not monogamy in the human sense.Although there may be only one "alpha male" at the top of the pack at any given time, which one it is changes over time.In human terms, this means the female is fickle, infatuated with no more than one man at any given time, but not naturally loyal to a husband over the course of a lifetime.In bygone days, it was permitted to point out natural female inconstancy. Consult, for example, Ring Lardner's humorous story "I Can't Breathe"-the private journal of an eighteen year old girl who wants to marry a different young man every week.If surveyed on her preferred number of "sex partners," she would presumably respond one; this does not mean she has any idea who it is.
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Hey fag, that's the third time you've posted the exact same quote in 2 days. Bolding shit won't make more people believe your simplistic worldview. Know what type of people insist the world is black and white? Teenagers. They want a nice simple package to believe in, and to believe that they are the ones with the answer, and only if everyone listened to them, the world would be a better place. Am I getting warm? Your redpill theory has about 20% truth behind it, but it's truth buried in a billion qualifications.

I love people who think a simplistic explanation--that evolutionary psychologists who study this shit for their entire careers would laugh at--is the end all answer. It's like me reading a blueprint of a bridge and arguing to the engineer, "you totally have it all wrong bro!"
 
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I love people who think a simplistic explanation--that evolutionary psychologists who study this shit for their entire careers would laugh at--is the end all answer. It's like me reading a blueprint of a bridge and arguing to the engineer, "you totally have it all wrong bro!"
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This is explained away by an all encompassing liberal conspiracy.
 
Himeo

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Oh, OK. You're one of those people.
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I'd post the rationale behind it, but no one will read it. So yes.

EDIT: That's not fair. It's not for me to decide whether or not you read something. Here ya go. Have fun.

The Dark Enlightenment.

Much of this will be highly politically incorrect and offensive, because that's what Reactionaries do. I have tried to be charitable towards these ideas, which means this post will be pushing politically incorrect and offensive positions. If you do not want to read it, especially the middle parts which are about race, I would totally understand that. But if you do read it and accuse me of holding these ideas myself and get really angry, thenyou fail at reading comprehension forever.

I originally planned to follow this up tomorrow with the post containing my arguments against these positions, but this argument took longer than I thought to write and I expect the counterargument will as well. Expect a post critiquing reactionary ideas sometime in the next.week? month?

In any case, this is not that post. This is the post where I argue that modern society is rotten to the core, and that the only reasonable solution is to dig up King James II, clone him, and give the clone absolute control over everything.
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Re: OK cupid's statistics - Ive read my share of okcupid blog posts but I don't think I've seen any that are at odds with what Tenks said. Got a link? You have to get into some pretty advanced stats to describe phenomena at anything more than the group level
 
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Himeo_sl said:
This is explained away by an all encompassing liberal conspiracy.
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Have you actually read a journal article from an evolutionary psychologist? They are not very concerned with being pc.

New question: how many academic journal articles have you read from evolutionary psychologists?
 
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Dabamf_sl said:
Re: OK cupid's statistics - Ive read my share of okcupid blog posts but I don't think I've seen any that are at odds with what Tenks said. Got a link? You have to get into some pretty advanced stats to describe phenomena at anything more than the group level
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Read the latest entry. Your written profile is worth less than 10% of your overall rating by users. Tenks just thought his profile mattered in his success rate, the data don't agree that your profile matters at all, for anyone. I am sure there are exceptions, I read profiles all the time and do/don't message people based on them, but the overall trend is that it doesn't matter.
 
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mkopec_sl said:
^^^^Good shit, isnt it?

I understand the red pill theory and what its all about. I have read much into it. But that shit is just painted so black and white and does not really represent reality in the real world. Yeah women intrinsically are hypergamous, but not all of them act on it, or even feel the urge to do so.

You can read that shit until you want to commit suicide, its that bad. I just picture 10,000 fat nerds bitching about how women suck. Same as I picture 10,000 fat unattractive females bitching about misogyny and SWJ shit. They should just get together and make fat, ugly kids and be happy.
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Good description of first learning about RP. The best reaction is to focus on self-improvement and take a cold hard look at the sexual marketplace to assess your value. Then take appropriate steps to find a happy outcome for yourself.

Just because reality is harsh doesn't mean you can't have fun.
 
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