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i go to the movies once or twice a year. And i try to get in at least 3 films for the price of admission. This isnt my once a year film. So im not slacking.
Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
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Whining on a new level - please go fill a river with the tears leaking from your vagina.
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Uhh.. I'm seeing a couple people mention something that I seem to have missed. I have watched all the episodes of the show and just came back from movie (stayed for both end credit scenes).
That said
where/when did someone mention 'skye's gift' exactly? Did you mean when they found the 'Clairvoyant' aka cripple dude, and he said she had something they want back? I don't remember the wording exactly, but I thought he just she has something that they want back, not that she had a gift. Also, where did the movie hint that the Guest House was a Hydra facility? I had to use the restroom at one point, so maybe I missed that.
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http://abc.go.com/shows/marvels-agents-of-shieldI went back and watched it and he didn't say gift...he just said that she has something they want back. As for the Guest House, the mid-credits zinger revealed Hydra had all sorts of secret project/testing facilities around the world. It's possible it was a Hydra facility, although if it was, Nick Fury being there wouldn't make too much sense I suppose
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Guest house is definitely NOT hydra. Remember the entire plot point of Clairvoyant not knowing how Coulson came back? and that was the entire reason he/it/she was going after them.
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If it wasn't Hydra and it wasn't SHIELD, it makes you wonder what the hell it was then? Proto-HAMMER facility?
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Wasn't Skye found in a village that was practically wiped out trying to protect her? Not sure what I am trying to get at, but is it possible she is something all together different?
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Well, Fury is very much known for having deals where HE is the only one that knows. One Shield group not knowing another one even exists.
I have a different take on this, but first an article that outlines the last 6 episodes of Shield.
Post-Captain America: The Winter Soldier Plan for Marvel's Agents of SHIELD Revealed
There is some glaring plot holes in Winter Soldier no one seems to be addressing.
Post-Captain America: The Winter Soldier Plan for Marvel's Agents of SHIELD Revealed
There is some glaring plot holes in Winter Soldier no one seems to be addressing.
1)Why would a man that is well known for contingency plans ( Nick Fury) not have one for the Shield Carriers?
2) Why would he even allow such a weapon to even be constructed?
3) How could Nick not know about Hyrda inside Shield when there top scientist including Zola worked with them?
4)How could he not know about the Winter Soldier when even Natasha said he is a well known assassin, going so far back as killing Howard Stark the creator of Shield?
My answers to all this goes back to Fury's cinematic history. We know for a fact he will manipulate, and deceive to further his goals. Coulson death was the catalyst for the Avengers working together as a team in the Avengers movie.
So what makes us think the weapons on those new shield carriers were ever going to fire anything.
IMHO this was a huge rouse to dismantle a non functioning shield that had grown out of control, and to expose the Hydra within. As well as to guide Captain America to his rightful place as leader.
Think about the events. Nick shows Steve the shield arsenal knowing his reaction would be negative. He then shows up at his apartment setting a trap for the Winter Soldier to not only confront Captain America, but to also fake his own death.
It would make no sense for Nick to ever show up at that apartment. He needed the confrontation between Shield, and Cap to happen. Look at the events that happened before Fury was ambushed.
Cap is assigned to a mission that involves a high profile double agent ( Sitwell) with one of the most well known double agents Widow. I even believe Nick set up that whole thing as outlined by Redford's character. What an easy way to put both Redford, and cap in the same room.
The fact that Widow was the one Nick had assigned to cap makes it even more obvious he is testing him to see exactly if he is the leader Nick needs for an upcoming war. I also don't think the chance meeting of Falcon, and Steve was anything but set up.
So my opinion is Nick knows everything, and this is his contingency plan. He already formed his group well before this, and it includes Tony Stark.
You can see this well in advance in the TV show with May's character, and Furys formation of Coulson's team. Nick has been planning this game for awhile.
Who says that Hydra doesn't have many captured Kree? They had the means to travel through the universe using the Tesseract. In Avengers they explain the door works both ways.
We never even see the Red Skull die, he is just sucked into the void much like Loki was.
And Nick knows all of this, and used one of the Hydra installations to save Coulson who he knew would be a very important part of his master plan. Marvel describes Coulson as the glue that binds everything together. Look at the events he has already influenced in the cinema versions.
Skye is definitely a miracle. There is no doubt about it. They went to great lengths to put those hints out there very early. This goes hand and hand with Marvel's plans to introduce Inhumans, but with the Cinema version they have changed the history abit.
Instead of the Kree evolving humans, Hydra does it.
2) Why would he even allow such a weapon to even be constructed?
3) How could Nick not know about Hyrda inside Shield when there top scientist including Zola worked with them?
4)How could he not know about the Winter Soldier when even Natasha said he is a well known assassin, going so far back as killing Howard Stark the creator of Shield?
My answers to all this goes back to Fury's cinematic history. We know for a fact he will manipulate, and deceive to further his goals. Coulson death was the catalyst for the Avengers working together as a team in the Avengers movie.
So what makes us think the weapons on those new shield carriers were ever going to fire anything.
IMHO this was a huge rouse to dismantle a non functioning shield that had grown out of control, and to expose the Hydra within. As well as to guide Captain America to his rightful place as leader.
Think about the events. Nick shows Steve the shield arsenal knowing his reaction would be negative. He then shows up at his apartment setting a trap for the Winter Soldier to not only confront Captain America, but to also fake his own death.
It would make no sense for Nick to ever show up at that apartment. He needed the confrontation between Shield, and Cap to happen. Look at the events that happened before Fury was ambushed.
Cap is assigned to a mission that involves a high profile double agent ( Sitwell) with one of the most well known double agents Widow. I even believe Nick set up that whole thing as outlined by Redford's character. What an easy way to put both Redford, and cap in the same room.
The fact that Widow was the one Nick had assigned to cap makes it even more obvious he is testing him to see exactly if he is the leader Nick needs for an upcoming war. I also don't think the chance meeting of Falcon, and Steve was anything but set up.
So my opinion is Nick knows everything, and this is his contingency plan. He already formed his group well before this, and it includes Tony Stark.
You can see this well in advance in the TV show with May's character, and Furys formation of Coulson's team. Nick has been planning this game for awhile.
Who says that Hydra doesn't have many captured Kree? They had the means to travel through the universe using the Tesseract. In Avengers they explain the door works both ways.
We never even see the Red Skull die, he is just sucked into the void much like Loki was.
And Nick knows all of this, and used one of the Hydra installations to save Coulson who he knew would be a very important part of his master plan. Marvel describes Coulson as the glue that binds everything together. Look at the events he has already influenced in the cinema versions.
Skye is definitely a miracle. There is no doubt about it. They went to great lengths to put those hints out there very early. This goes hand and hand with Marvel's plans to introduce Inhumans, but with the Cinema version they have changed the history abit.
Instead of the Kree evolving humans, Hydra does it.
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Yeah, that's who I'd pick too. Then either cast them off the show for a bit and/or do a redemption story.
Did they ever say if Coulson knew about the weapons on the Helicarrier in Avengers, I dont recall. Coulson strikes me as half Fury and half Cap when it comes do doing his job.
Coulson is important because like Cap, it is someone Nick can 100% trust.
Also Agent 13 is hot ( spoiler)
Also Agent 13 is hot ( spoiler)
I found it funny that Cap immediately hit on her, because lets face it Emily Van Camp is cute as fuck.
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1. Not sure i follow you. How were those chips not a contingency plan for the carriers? Do you think he crapped them out at the last minute? Only thing he messed up on was not installing them sooner.
2&3. I guess he was fooled. Do we know if he even knew about zoloft.
4. She also said that most people thought he was a myth, and made it seem like she might be the only one who didn't. At least she was one of the very few.
As for the rest of that speculation, my only question is, if stark was part of his team, and stark tinkered with the engines to make them better, why were they able to take off at all?
2&3. I guess he was fooled. Do we know if he even knew about zoloft.
4. She also said that most people thought he was a myth, and made it seem like she might be the only one who didn't. At least she was one of the very few.
As for the rest of that speculation, my only question is, if stark was part of his team, and stark tinkered with the engines to make them better, why were they able to take off at all?
None of what you said makes any sense when we are dealing with a character like Nick Fury. You must not know that much about the history of that character.
If any of what you said was true then it only weakens the plot of the Winter Soldier movie, and Nicks character completely.
Like I said in my earlier post we don't know if those weapons were even functional.We assume they were because we are told that is how they work, but since Cap stopped it we will never know until they tell the whole story. why would Stark sabotage Nicks plan....
Nicks Plot imho is to expose the Hydra within, and to dismantle Shield as well as test, and prep his chosen candidate ( Steve Rogers) for leadership for the end war.
Unfortunatelly for them Stark's demon grows ,and is about to be unleashed on the world.
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