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Erronius

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Huh, that's kinda weird. But at least there is some sort of incentive to put in more than 40? But a number of people I know who work salary work like 50-60 hours a week with no additional pay or anything, so the entire salary system seems pretty hit and miss to me.

But more importantly, Papa Johns has pepperoni rolls?

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Papa Johns pepperoni rolls

Why wasn't I told about this?

Someone find Picasso
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Salary with no ot is a notorious mechanism for getting fucked with a promotion.

I will fully review this pepperoni roll situation.
 
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The law is changing so anyone with a base pay under 50k a year will get OT.
 
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I get $60/hr for hours over 40 but as a government contractor actually getting both govt (easy my govy doesn't give a shit) and company to approve my ovwr 40 hours is near impossible.
 
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Speaking of pay, I just got the highest award you can get in my department, for outstanding service for working 60+ hour weeks for 6 months straight while we were understaffed due to 4 departures and 3 people on medical leave. Then I find out the two newest guys they hired on my team are making 15% more than I am, even though they have been given basically 0 responsibilities so far, and I am tied for the least pay on the team with some 20 year old kid who avoids work like the plague.

What should I do?

I was going to post this in one of the work threads but refrained from shitting it up. I should get an award for that, too.
 
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They should be making 25% more, you should let them know they're getting shafted.
 
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Erronius_sl said:
Wait, salary but with OT?

How that would work? Bear with me, I've always been a blue-collar prole working hourly.
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I'm currently salary +. Which is you're guaranteed your 40 hour salary but you are essentially hourly so you can earn OT. They call this blue collar at my company. I'm about to get a big promotion and get moved to salary only and be considered white collar.
 
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No, I meant how do I ask for a raise? They lied to me and said I was already being paid at the cap for this position.
 
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I think you'll be fine if you state the facts of your case in this scenario. Eg
"I've learned that there are 2 new male employees making 17% more than I am as an award winning experienced employee. This is troubling in itself but to told I'm at the salary cap is an error than cannot stand. Now that you're aware of the discrepancy I trust you'll have no problem adjusting appropriately for both factors. My momma got flooded."

(Disclaimer I have never successfully negotiated a raise, i only get offered them when I leave, which i think is the best way to get one worth a shit)
 
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Mist_sl said:
No, I meant how do I ask for a raise? They lied to me and said I was already being paid at the cap for this position.
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Ah, so they lied to you saying you are already being paid at the cap for the position and are paying male employees with less experience more than you as they have less tasks and/or do less work. By golly, you should probably just go inform them of the situation as I'm sure it was an innocent mistake they'd correct immediately if they only knew!

If it weren't too late to simply go in and ask to be treated fairly, you wouldn't have to go in to ask to be treated fairly. If they valued you, they'd have realized the issue by now, especially as they're awarding you for your hard work while knowing they're under paying you for said work.

Your feasible choices are to just accept it and let yourself be a doormat until you get disgruntled enough they have cause to fire you or you quit. Or, if you really care and want to do something about the situation, you protect yourself by making sure you have a legal basis for your concerns and then have that legal standing to take action.

Either way, you're going to be a pariah, may as well have a legal leg to stand on when they fire you and/or harass you into quitting.
 
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You really think theyre going to draw a line over 17% of 40k when she has a legitimate lawsuit. Fuck even if she didn't it's still nuisance value.
 
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No one mentioned a lawsuit, if I wanted to sue them I have much better things to sue them for. I wasn't implying gender discrimination, either.

If I wanted to sue them, they leave large quantities of alcohol all over the kitchen frequently, and they let an employee with a substance abuse problem get drunk in the NOC and create a very unsafe situation in the workplace.

Even better, on the same day that they gave me the award, HR referred me to a mandatory EAP because my coworkers were concerned about my depression, despite no aggravated incident with a coworker, no impact on performance or disciplinary action, and no imminent suicide threat. Depression is protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act. Forcing me to comply with a mandatory EAP as a condition of continued employment is the very definition of discriminatory under that statute.
 
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Erronius

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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
I get $60/hr for hours over 40 but as a government contractor actually getting both govt (easy my govy doesn't give a shit) and company to approve my ovwr 40 hours is near impossible.
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Reminds me of when I was in Iraq...even if my company authorized working extra OT past what we were already authorized, the company that had the contract for oversight would 86 it. But we already worked 84 hours a week, 7 12s, first 40 were payed at time and a half with the second 44 being at the base rate...so pay-wise, none of us cared. It isn't like we wanted to work MORE than 84 hours, especially since that was every day with no days off until R&R...but it majorly sucked when the military came in asking us to work overnight to fix something (as individuals we totally would have, and wanted to, that's what we were there for after all) but the companies and management were so afraid of being accused of gaming the system (even though they already did...just within the boundaries of the contracts) that we were never allowed to work outside of our 'normal' hours. We had to tell a number of people"sorry, best we can do is be back at 6am and fix it then", then endure a tirade of angry words from a service-member who felt like we didn't give a fuck and go home to sleep while thinking"fuck, I'd work overnight for free to help them, but I'd probably get fired". It really fucking sucked.


Rambly rambling ramble.
 
Erronius

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Mist_sl said:
No, I meant how do I ask for a raise?
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Depends. I would tell you to draw a line in the sand and tell your management that they either make this right or you walk, but (no offense intended) I honestly think you'd respond with something like"But I can't afford to walk away from what I make now, so I can't risk burning the bridge to my current employment, nor am I willing to consider a lawsuit, so I'm guess I'm stuck making less and commiserating about it here".

I wouldn't threaten a lawsuit or bring it up, but I wouldn't tapdance around it either. Let them consider the possibility. Just be straight and upfront: You lied to me about the pay cap, hired two new guys making 15% more than what I am making now, and I'm the one that puts in a fuckton of hours and shoulders a ton of the burden.
 
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What ever you do don't bring up what other people are making as discussing salary is usually a firable offense. Go in and point out how many hours and how much good work you are doing and just ask for a raise.
 
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