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The refs need to stop tacking the fighters all willy nilly and pull the fighters off. Could've fucked up OSP's knee with that
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The refs need to stop tacking the fighters all willy nilly and pull the fighters off. Could've fucked up OSP's knee with that
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As much as I don't want to admit it Bisping won, but Dan sure as fuck did way more damage to him. His age was just too much for him to keep up into the later rounds. It was nice to see Dickface Mike's face mangled from H bombs.
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Could've also taken 10 seconds to actually pull a strong ass trained fighter off of someone while he rains blows on an unconscious persons head and then called the morgue to set up the funeral when the dude on the ground dies...
Jive Turkey
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If the ref grabs a fighters arm to stop him and he continues to punch for 10 seconds, then the fighter deserves a suspension. And if you see a guy is unconscious and keep punching him, you're a sack of shit. All this "keep fighting until the ref pulls me off" faux machismo is bushleague. It's got nothing to do with making sure you get the win and everything to do with getting a boner at the chance of punching a man in the face uncontested
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I couldn't agree more.
Punching a man when he is already out is a very bad look. MMA needs more walk offs.
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This is kind of a retarded stance to take. Ref shouldn't intervene aggressively to protect the health of a fighter for the fear that it "might" sometime in the future hurt a fighter. Also fighters should regulate when they should stop choking, punching an opponent for "reasons", when the rules hold the referee the final arbiter of a finish? Um ok.
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How is it retarded? The ref tackling the winning fighter into the body of the unconscious fighter is a retarded thing to defend.
"reasons"? Is that just the catch all "I don't have an argument, so I'll just use this tired meme" response these days? The reason is because as a professional - and as a reasonable, non-savage - you should be fully capable of realizing by the 2nd or 3rd shot to the unprotected face on an opponent laid out in front of you, that that person is unconscious and unable to defend himself and your repeated blows are causing unnecessary damage. Have you never seen a fight where the fighter pulls up and waits for the ref to put his hands on him? Any reasonable fighter would do that. Getting your jollies by getting some free shots in is wankery. Maybe act like a professional and not a low class thug
"reasons"? Is that just the catch all "I don't have an argument, so I'll just use this tired meme" response these days? The reason is because as a professional - and as a reasonable, non-savage - you should be fully capable of realizing by the 2nd or 3rd shot to the unprotected face on an opponent laid out in front of you, that that person is unconscious and unable to defend himself and your repeated blows are causing unnecessary damage. Have you never seen a fight where the fighter pulls up and waits for the ref to put his hands on him? Any reasonable fighter would do that. Getting your jollies by getting some free shots in is wankery. Maybe act like a professional and not a low class thug
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Holly is the WMMA sweetheart, and if Herb didn't shove her off, she wouldn't have stopped those hammerfists from hell. Why? That's training, she couldn't stop herself even if she could... that's standard Jackson/Wink training, opponent on back -> Hammerfists from hell and don't stop, how do you untrain that?
If you let the fighter decided when enough is enough, you get angry fighters like Roy Nelson, kickin big john in the ass, cuz he though Bigfoot had enough, or you have Old man Silva flying knee Bisping, walking off and jumping on the cage for victory celebration.
Nope, unless your name is Mark Hunt, you don't walk off for shit.
If you let the fighter decided when enough is enough, you get angry fighters like Roy Nelson, kickin big john in the ass, cuz he though Bigfoot had enough, or you have Old man Silva flying knee Bisping, walking off and jumping on the cage for victory celebration.
Nope, unless your name is Mark Hunt, you don't walk off for shit.
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Yes she could've have. She chose not to. Are you telling me the fighters that don't pound the shit out of their unconscious opponents are poorly trained? When Machida held up on Munoz was it because he's poorly trained or was it because he's got discipline and restraint? Or how about this one? He totally should've just beat the fuck out of the guy's face until the ref stopped it, right?
Nelson was right to be angry. He was angry because he didn't want to have to keep punching Bigfoot (who, lets be honest, really doesn't need anymore unnecessary blows to the head) and Big John was terribly slow to stop it. That's not so say an extra punch on a situation like Silva/Bisping wouldn't have been necessary to seal the deal, but there's a HUGE difference between that and what Holly was trying to do.
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Your only response is to bring submissions into it, which I never even mentioned. Cool argument. Not that I expected to convince a couple bros that punching an unconscious opponent multiple times isn't totally awesome
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The point is, the fighter doesn't get to decided when the fight is over, b/c you'll have contention and bias. Sure fighters are used to deciding when over is over, since every fighter Spars and no one wants to fuck up their sparring partner, so you'll decide when enough is enough.
But when a fight is on the line, if you only get 2 fights a year if you're lucky, or if you're on a losing streak and about to be cut or your fighting to keep your championship or trying to earn a strap, do you really think is gonna be decided by fighters?
Nope, no fighter wants to live through the regret that they decided enough was enough, fucked up and lost... ala Old man Silva v. Bisping. I mean look what happened, in the end Bisping gets a title shot b/c of luck (pullout) and a win over a legend and he just defended against a near unranked grandpa. While Silva got Son'd by big fat whale, DC.
Even best friends Arlovski and Browne, who had thanksgiving dinners w/ family together, said fuck it, imma make this awesome meme.
Arlovski didn't think about no thanksgiving dinners w/ that backhand.
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The point is, the fighter doesn't get to decided when the fight is over, b/c you'll have contention and bias. Sure fighters are used to deciding when over is over, since every fighter Spars and no one wants to fuck up their sparring partner, so you'll decide when enough is enough.
But when a fight is on the line, if you only get 2 fights a year if you're lucky, or if you're on a losing streak and about to be cut or your fighting to keep your championship or trying to earn a strap, do you really think is gonna be decided by fighters?
Nope, no fighter wants to live through the regret that they decided enough was enough, fucked up and lost... ala Old man Silva v. Bisping. I mean look what happened, in the end Bisping gets a title shot b/c of luck (pullout) and a win over a legend and he just defended against a near unranked grandpa. While Silva got Son'd by big fat whale, DC.
Even best friends Arlovski and Browne, who had thanksgiving dinners w/ family together, said fuck it, imma make this awesome meme.
Arlovski didn't think about no thanksgiving dinners w/ that backhand.
My point is only that there are often some clear cut times when a fighter is clearly out and not coming back and the extra punches are only about getting some freebies in. Henderson said as much about the first fight with Bisping.
That is a glorious gif though
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or Hendo is just playing up the idea that Bisping is an ass and Hendo drops H-bombs from hell, fuck Bisping?
You're really gonna tell me in 1/2 second that Hendo uncorked his right, he knew Bisping was out cold? and thought in the 1/2 second, "haha, i won, imma go get me some freebie shots, yea!"
No, obviously, he was just following up to lay waste to Bisping until Yamasaki stopped him, unless Hendo has the fucking eyes of a sage and saw that Bisping was out cold mid fall.
Vastly different than Hunt
Mir/Struve, Hunt sees them slump down, he's also a K1 champ, so he knows when to walk offf
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“I believe I [shut him up] for a little while,” Henderson said. “I don’t know if I can ever shut his mouth completely, though. Normally, I’m not that way in fights. I know if a guy is out, and I tend to stop. I knew I [knocked] him out. I think that last one was just to shut him up a little bit.”
He said it himself. Bisping was stiff falling to the ground. He was clearly out.
Every one of these Hunt gifs shows a less obvious KO than Bisping. Struve wasn't even knocked out; Hunt just knew he had enough
He said it himself. Bisping was stiff falling to the ground. He was clearly out.
Every one of these Hunt gifs shows a less obvious KO than Bisping. Struve wasn't even knocked out; Hunt just knew he had enough
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According to Mark Hunt's sister the reason he does it is because he doesn't want to see someone getting beat while they are down. Because their dad was a ruthless piece of shit that beat him mercilessly(and raped her) and he can't stomach seeing it happen.
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No point arguing Jive. You are clearly right and everyone knows Hendo did that elbow on purpose knowing MB was out cold. Hendo has admitted it in the past.
In boxing you can't even hit a guy taking a knee (roy jones) because you are now classified as a POS.
MMA needs to protect fighters who are out better.
When I was at UFC 146 in vegas, I couldn't even watch anymore when CV was smashing a clearly destroyed BF and I have been going to fights since I was 6.
Punching a man when he is out is just a bad look and not at all needed. Like curbstomping.
In boxing you can't even hit a guy taking a knee (roy jones) because you are now classified as a POS.
MMA needs to protect fighters who are out better.
When I was at UFC 146 in vegas, I couldn't even watch anymore when CV was smashing a clearly destroyed BF and I have been going to fights since I was 6.
Punching a man when he is out is just a bad look and not at all needed. Like curbstomping.
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That is the narrative Hendo has been building the whole time, of course he's gonna say shit like that...
Oh so you don't think so?
Yea he knows when to stop, when the guy is out
his last KO b4 Bisping was Silva
Gee...
Yea he really stops smothering Gono
or this stoppage of Chonan