Murders and Shootings

zzeris_sl said:

Thorne, great post and I agree that politicians are fairly knee-jerk mainly because it looks good. Gavinrad, where do you live that has home invasions weekly? Sounds like you need to get out of the ghetto more.

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Yeah if people could just up and move out of shitty neighborhoods, would there even be shitty neighborhoods?

I am not in any way trying to diminish the terrible news story here (absolutely depressing) but our situation and Africa's is simply not in any way comparable.

There is so much death and genocide in Africa with their warlords and other corrupt organizations that they don't even count them anymore. I'm not sure where this graphic is from but they are probably excluding everything except solely for our type of massacres (one-two crazies shooting up schools and other public areas).

Just a few months ago one of the more civilized country's over there, South Africa, had a clash that resulted in 30+ dead miners at the hands of the fucking police. I'll bet if some crazy child soldier decided to shoot up some small church anyone there no one would bat an eye. It in all likely hood if it is in some remote area would not even get reported unless we had some western missionaries over.

Agreed, we need to address social issues like how this kid developed into what he did. We aren't going to prevent this 100% but armed guards are just not something I can get behind. It just ruins our environment and image and doesn't prevent crazies from shooting up a playground or movie theater. Unless we have armed guards everywhere.

Israel is also a country in a state of constant undeclared war, surrounded by enemies that are a credible threat and at times near constant terror attacks. They sort of need those guns.

Meanwhile, we have people stockpiling weapons because the gubment might get taken over by farners and we need an armed populace to resist. Didn't you people watch Red Dawn while masturbating? What would happen if North Korea suddenly built a giant stealth navy without our satellites noticing and mobilized a massive invasion? How could you hope to resist with long range high powered sporting rifles or shotguns and no handguns? What would you do? WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

That said, the only way a handgun ban would happen is if somehow a bunch of far left liberals were all put on the Supreme Court at the same time because that whole constitution thing leaves little up to interpretation. It really doesn't matter why we have the right to bear arms, we just do.

I'm still amazed the Brady Bill even happened and we only have a watered down version of it still in effect. Gun registration, whoopty fucking doo I have to break the law if I'm already a felon and I want a gun. Big deterrent, there.

And people say expand gun registration and so on. How? A massive agency to do all of these background checks? Maintain a massive database on every citizen in the country with far more personal details than are likely legally allowed under current law? How would you pay for it, tax the everfuck out of weapon transactions? Well it would certainly expand the black market.

Tarrant_sl said:

I like how China has had two massive school violence incidents but aren't included because theyw ere stabbings. Chart is defiantly skewed, violence of massive scales can happen without guns too.

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Violence yes, deaths no. Those people in China were injured, not killed.

Tmac47_sl said:

There was a time in America when hunters could store their guns in the back window of a truck and stories like this didn't exist.

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There are still parts of America where you can do this. Surprisingly it is far away from the metropolitan centers of the educated and civilized people. I wonder if this means anything.

I still think it comes down to the families. And the pussification of society. But that just makes me sound like a retarded hick doesn't it.

If it was your intention to kill a bunch of 6 year olds with a knife, do you think ensuring that they died would be difficult thing to accomplish?

Thorne_sl said:

There are still parts of America where you can do this. Surprisingly it is far away from the metropolitan centers of the educated and civilized people. I wonder if this means anything.

I still think it comes down to the families. And the pussification of society. But that just makes me sound like a retarded hick doesn't it.

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In the metropolitan centers of the educated and civilized people, criminals will break into your car to scrape off a sticker for a $20 rebate. Do you still think displaying your $200-$500 weapon in a fucking window is a grand idea in that environment?

Kreugen_sl said:

In the metropolitan centers of the educated and civilized people, criminals will break into your car to scrape off a sticker for a $20 rebate. Do you still think displaying your $200-$500 weapon in a fucking window is a grand idea in that environment?

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That's what I said, there are still parts of the country you can do that. FAR AWAY from the metro areas.

It doesn't really matter though, society sucks in general these days.

When I was a young kid around 12 I had a friend named Kevin. We went to this fundamentalist Christian private school in Henderson, Tx. It was the kind of school that had scripture learning in the same workbooks as your English or math workbooks. If you had a headache they took you into a room and the head teacher, who had died one time in the hospital and returned "for the glory of god, and the founder of the church would pray for you while smothering you between the two. Hands on your head speaking in tongues that kind of delusion. I can still smell her rotten mouth with green gums. I guess she couldn't afford dental. It was a very unpleasant couple of years that took a great deal of effort to deal with as an adult.

Anyway back to Kevin, Kevin had an older brother whose name escapes me this was in the mid 80s so a long ass time ago he was a junior/senior popular jock type character. Anyway Kevin and I were good friends our fathers even worked together for Texas Utilities. I would go spend weekends at their house and we would go hunting, fishing et cetera. We had an upcoming weekend planned where we were going to go fishing but at the last minute I decided I did not want to go. I don't remember if i begged or what but my Mom called and told Kevins Mom that this weekend we would have to reschedule. NO big deal right? Well it turns out that Kevin's older brother picked that weekend to go psycho and that's what he did. He took out his hunting rifle and a pistol they had and murdered his Grandmother, his father and Kevin. His mother arrived home during this managed to talk him down at which point she got away. The kid didn't kill himself but was arrested and I have no idea what happens after this.

That was the last year I went to that school and I was now hitting my teenage years after somehow dodging death. I lost a good friend and was forever marked. Soon after I discovered Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies and other 80s punk rock that was all the rage with the city kids and a skateboard. I lived in a small town so I was abnormal and hated. Good times for sure, my point is that I was forever altered by this point.

I am about as liberal as they come but I don't believe any form of regulation or banning anything beyond any sort of common sense like to say rocket launchers, nukes hardcore machine guns et cetera. I think continued adult discussions should happen but they won't just like everything else in our current political atmosphere the loud extremists on either side will just scream and yell over each other without listening. I do wish Assault Rifles hadn't become as prevalent as they have now. But really it wasn't an assault rifle that killed my friends it was a teenager who snapped, I have no idea how that happened. He used their hunting guns, which I had learned to shoot with to murder his family. Cats already out of the bag now on that one so not much to do now.My point I guess if I have one is that bad shit happens and no matter what we do to try and prevent it crazy will find a way. Much like life will in Jurassic Park.

I hope that wasn't too much to read and made sense. I am not the best writer in the world so I apologize for any mistakes in grammar or spelling.