Kaines
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Considering the only way LeBron plays in Cleveland in October is if he's in the visitor's dressing room, I'll take the Browns.
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NBA 2017-2018 Season Thread
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Considering the only way LeBron plays in Cleveland in October is if he's in the visitor's dressing room, I'll take the Browns.
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Browns won all their preseason games last year. I would wager they will this year too. No team is going to waste many pre-season reps against the browns. Other teams use pre-season games against the browns to double-check everyone is rock-solid on how to properly clap after a huddle. Once that checks out, they let the Browns win.
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zzeris
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I'm betting on the Brownies here. Cleveland may win all 4 preseason games but should win 2 at least. That should give some cushion against a Cavs team without LeBron. I don't even like Cleveland but I like their chances to get 6 this year. That division will be terrible too.
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Pemulis
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In that video, I was shocked how long it took Lue to engage the players on the bench. Lebron and JR were literally just sitting there for a good minute and a half before the coach is even in the frame. How many coaches with a chance to beat the Warriors in game one in their own stadium would waste that much valuable time in between regulation and overtime NOT coaching? Lebron can't wait to put this team in his rear-view mirror
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Chanur
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No I am just pointing out you Lebron pudding swallowers are all Gaige. If you are going to praise his leadership when he wins with his team then you need to bash him when he fails to lead them. Predictably though people hurry in to defend him with their double standards.
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DickTrickle
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Except I don't praise his leadership. Pretty sure I've never made a single post praising that attribute. I don't think he's the greatest leader the NBA world has ever seen, but that video clip is hardly an indictment of him. Thinking everyone who says a positive thing about him or argues against a criticism is his pudding swallower shows just how extreme you are. Life is not binary.
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Pelton mail: Does LeBron really make his teammates better?
Somewhat interesting article, but I think it has a little bit of an overemphasis on usage.
You can see the Warriors were a team that showed an increase in performance for their newcomers, which isn't surprising since I think they have a more team-oriented offensive system than the Cavs, Rockets, or Thunder.
Somewhat interesting article, but I think it has a little bit of an overemphasis on usage.
You can see the Warriors were a team that showed an increase in performance for their newcomers, which isn't surprising since I think they have a more team-oriented offensive system than the Cavs, Rockets, or Thunder.
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Yup, that is the problem with running ISO ball as your primary offensive option. Even the Warriors got bit by it a couple of times in the Houston series when Durant played in to it way too much.
As far as the Lebron love/hate dichotomy goes, at this point I just appreciate his greatness while still acknowledging his faults. For me he is the 2nd best of all time behind Jordan. Lebron's value as a leader is kind of high, yet low at the same time. He obviously cares for his guys and goes out of his way to get them their value and involvement off the court which is respectable. However I've seen him give up and go in to his own little bubble in too many big games to really put his on court leadership at Jordan/Kobe/Magic levels. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with coaching in the end though. Even when Jordan or Magic were at their height they weren't above Jackson or Riley. Whereas Lebron has no accountability to Lue or the majority of coaches he has played for.
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DickTrickle
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Definitely agreed about coaching. I think it helped Spoelstra a lot when Riley openly backed him (especially since Riley took out Van Gundy so he could run the 2006 team). It gave him credibility.
Kinda disagree about Kobe being in that group with magic and mj, though. Kobe had some famous "not taking shots in a half" games to try and prove a point.
This Day in NBA Playoffs History: Kobe Bryant Goes AWOL in Game 7 of the 2006 NBA Playoffs Against the Suns
Chanur
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You might have a point if people were not defending his bad behaivor.
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Chanur
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That is my issue. Make no mistake this Cavs team is Lebrons not Lue's. No one sees the coach as their leader. That is why I feel his attitude at the end was so damaging to their chances.
I also look forward to people contorting themselves to defend Lebron going to a competitive team after bitching a out Durant.
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Vimeseh
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I'll give you the Kobe thing. As a Chicagoan I'll freely admit that if Lebron had went to the Spurs instead of back to Cleveland he would be the best player of all time. Pop wouldn't put up with LeGM or the tuning out that Lebron has been prone too. We'd probably be looking at Seven rings minimum if Lebron played under an all timer at head coach.
Now before somebody starts on the "you only have MJ over Lebron because of Championships?!" argument that is always thrown out... it isn't quite that simple. Not only would Lebron have more rings then Jordan but he could have actually learned to be the on court leader and go for the throat mentality that Jordan had if he wasn't loaded down with building a team and playing hero ball against every team that matters. A hall of fame coached team with reliable role players is going to elevate an elite player's status much more then the admittedly gaudy numbers that LBJ is forced to put up be default with these Cavs lineups and play styles. Its the same reason Brady and Montana are the top GOAT prospects in football as opposed to someone like Archie Manning or Dan Marino. Basically the difference between being the most elite prototypical specimen in your sport and being the well rounded ideal that a player should be.
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Jozu
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LeBron has his faults. He is self important, the guy talks to himself in 3rd person on social media, he is a complainer on the court, he is a cry baby when it comes to basketball luck and below average teammates, and worse of all, he has a shitty attitude unless his team is winning, and he is the reason why.
With all those faults, his on court production erases that shit, it just does. When your averaging 37 11 9 in the playoffs (If the Cavs other players actually hit shots he would be averaging like 14 assists per) and put up 50 in a finals game, went for 40 plus SEVEN times in one playoff run, and has a championship on his resume against a 73 win Warriors team already, his position is unassailable.
With all those faults, his on court production erases that shit, it just does. When your averaging 37 11 9 in the playoffs (If the Cavs other players actually hit shots he would be averaging like 14 assists per) and put up 50 in a finals game, went for 40 plus SEVEN times in one playoff run, and has a championship on his resume against a 73 win Warriors team already, his position is unassailable.
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The fact that Lebron keeps jumping ship to "super teams" only to have the narrative be that he can't get any help a year or two later says everything about his leadership skills and whether or not he makes his teammates better.
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Joing the Cavs is like the perfect antithesis to your entire statement. He didn't go back to Cleveland in any way because he thought they were a super team. His fans beat the shit out of him for leaving his home for Miami, so he went back, and put up a remarkable performance, dragging a shit team out of the dirt. I don't like the guy as a person, but as a player he deserves to play with a proper team.
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Right, the fact that they got 3 #1 picks and he would be playing with Kyrie and Kevin Love had nothing to do with it. It was totally a feel good redemption thing
Didn't know people actually believed that stupid narrative
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