NFL 2014 - 2015 Season Thread

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Famm_sl said:
I think the situation was that Rice was pending criminal charges and that tape was evidence first and property of the casino second, so releasing it outside of the police and attorneys wasn't supposed to happen. Now that Rice's case is taken care of (sorta, if he gets in trouble again they can bring it back) and the casino is out of business it opened a path for TMZ to get their hands on it after the league thought they had put the worst of this behind them.
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Fucks sake. The only thing the NJ AG was commenting on was the legality of the government providing the NFL the tape.
 
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What is the timing of that casino going tits up in all of this? Sounds like the Falcon Punch happened, cops got tape, casino folded, and them some laid off rent-a-cop sold the footage to TMZ? Is that about right?
 
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I wonder if there are grounds for Ray Rice and his wife to file charges against TMZ for releasing that video. Not sure that could be considered public domain? Maybe it is. I am not up on the laws surrounding this kind of thing.

I mean, the guy pulled some crazy bullshit, and I hate all Ravens as thugs and motherfuckers, and his now-wife might need some help, but as others pointed out in this thread, they cost him millions, maybe tens of millions of dollars in present and future earnings; TMZ by releasing that video directly caused him hugely significant loss. If there is any way at all he can go after them, I bet he does. I mean shit, what does he have to lose? It's not like he is going to be employed anytime soon.
 
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If he goes after the leaker any chance of him ever doing ANYTHING again pretty much gets flushed, right there. As it is, he MIGHT get to do some stupid D-List celebrity reality show bullshit or play for the Raiders in a couple years (same thing, I guess). But I agree he could make that case if he wanted to get publicly crucified by the media. If he wanted to go that route, his wife and ONLY his wife should pursue those charges.
 
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Phazael_sl said:
If he goes after the leaker any chance of him ever doing ANYTHING again pretty much gets flushed, right there. As it is, he MIGHT get to do some stupid D-List celebrity reality show bullshit or play for the Raiders in a couple years (same thing, I guess). But I agree he could make that case if he wanted to get publicly crucified by the media. If he wanted to go that route, his wife and ONLY his wife should pursue those charges.
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Who knows, I'm sure he has his best Diamondsteins on the case to advise him of his next move.
 
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I don't think you can sue someone for causing you to get caught committing a crime. The monetary damage was caused by what he did, not by TMZ showing people what he did.
 
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I doubt TMZ or the casino could get sued over this. TMZ is media and they have laws to prevent that kind of stuff. The video is the property of the casino, so they can do whatever they want with a tape that is showing a public place, which the elevator is. The only person that could maybe get sued is the person who leaked it if it wasn't sold on behalf of the casino. I would think the only one who could sue the leaker would be the casino since the tape is the casino's property.
 
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Faltigoth_sl said:
I wonder if there are grounds for Ray Rice and his wife to file charges against TMZ for releasing that video. Not sure that could be considered public domain? Maybe it is. I am not up on the laws surrounding this kind of thing.
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No chance. He had no reasonable expectation of privacy in a casino elevator on private property. Key word...fucking casino. Every move you make outside of your hotel room is potentially on camera.
 
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Wouldn't the monetary damage be caused by the release of the video since prior to that everything was settled?
 
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sebur_sl said:
Wouldn't the monetary damage be caused by the release of the video since prior to that everything was settled?
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If he hadn't punched her in the face, the video wouldn't have been a problem for him. Suing TMZ would be like suing someone for testifying against you in a murder trial because if they hadn't you would have gotten away with it.
 
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Just heard on NFL network that Roethlisberger had his 11th 300 yard game, tied for the most since 2004. That's ridiculously wrong, Peyton did it like a dozen times last year alone. Even if they meant to say 350 I think it's way wrong. Peyton did that 8 times last year. 12 since 2010, even with missing all of 2011.

Now I'm trying to figure out what the actual stat was supposed to be. Maybe tied for most 350+ of the 2004 draftees(Him, Rivers, Baby Huey). Except he's got 17 vs. Rivers 13 there and Eli's 12, so not tied there...I'm so confused...what a stupid thing to spend 10 minutes trying to figure out.
 
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Seems like everyone is coming down for their rage-high of Rice and starting to feel bad about him being cut.

Ravens sent this letter to their Season Ticket holders

Ravens_sl said:
Dear Ravens Stakeholder: You deserve an explanation. What happened with the Ray Rice incident? How could it come to this? Why didn't we act earlier?
As a PSL holder, suite owner, sponsor and supporter, you have a stake in us. You have invested in us - emotionally as well as financially, trusted us, and believed in us. We value that trust and owe you full disclosure. First, let us say that we did not do all we should have done and no amount of explanation can remedy that. What we can do now is share with you everything that occurred and vow to learn from all that has happened. Here is how the situation unfolded, and here are our thoughts behind the decisions we made.
On the morning of Feb. 15, we learned that Ray and his then fianc?, Janay, had been arrested at an Atlantic City casino, and both had been charged with "simple assault" resulting from an altercation with each other. After the couple was taken to police headquarters, and after a report was written, they were allowed to leave together. A number of Ravens' representatives talked with Ray during the course of that day. His explanation was that after he and Janay had consumed a great deal of alcohol, they had had an argument and that they struck each other. We at the Ravens organization issued a statement to the media that we were aware of the incident, that we had talked with Ray, and that he deserved the due process of law.
We then began our own process to discover as much as we could about what happened. We talked with representatives of the casino, the police who arrested the couple, the prosecutor and a lawyer who represented both Ray and Janay in the case. Soon after, the video of Janay and Ray coming out of the elevator became public. We contacted the casino management and asked if there was video of the incident from inside the elevator that we could see. The casino would not share such video. We asked the local New Jersey police and the police refused as well. We asked the prosecutor's office and that office refused. It was our understanding at that time that Ray's attorney had not yet seen the video. NFL officials had been informed, and we know they were also trying to retrieve and/or see the video.
Assessing the situation at of the end of February, this is what we knew: A player who had been a model citizen in the community and terrific teammate for six seasons had been charged with simple assault against his fianc?. At that time, his fianc? Janay had been similarly charged.
Ray and Janay both told us nothing like this had happened before. He was showing great remorse; they were meeting regularly with our team chaplain and were diligently attending couples counseling.
In March, the prosecutor dropped the case against Janay, but elevated the charge against Ray from simple assault to aggravated assault. At this point, we decided to defer action until completion of the court proceedings. We stopped seeking to view or obtain a copy of the video. We halted our fact-finding. That was a mistake on our part. In May, the prosecutor recommended, and the judge agreed, that Ray should be accepted into a pre-trial intervention program that will eventually have the assault charge dismissed from his record, pending a year of good behavior.
The police had seen video from inside the elevator. The prosecutor and the judge, who had also seen such video, allowed Ray into the program that would eventually clear him of the assault charge.
On June 16, Ray and Janay met with Commissioner Roger Goodell, who then announced on July 27 that Ray Rice would be suspended for the first two games of the season. Ray subsequently met with the media and answered questions.
Yesterday morning Sept 8, all of us saw the video from inside the elevator. It is violent and horrifying. I immediately came to the office and called a meeting with Dick Cass, Ozzie Newsome, John Harbaugh and Kevin Byrne. The meeting was relatively short. The decision to let Ray Rice go was unanimous. Seeing that video changed everything. We should have seen it earlier. We should have pursued our own investigation more vigorously. We didn't and we were wrong.
We are moving forward and believe we can help put more of a spotlight on intimate partner violence, while increasing education and awareness to this issue to all in our organization. Our recently announced partnership with the House of Ruth is a start. We view ourselves as a family. Like families, we have used tough love in the past (fines, benching and releases) with repeat offenders. Because of his positive contributions on and off the field over the last six years, Ray had earned every benefit of the doubt from our organization. We took everything we knew and decided to support Ray Rice until we could not.
We hope that Ray will continue to work to be the best husband, father and person he can be, and he will turn this awful situation into something positive. We also have learned a great deal and will continue to strive to be an organization and team you and Baltimore will be proud of. I am sorry we let you down. Sincerely,
Stephen J. Bisciotti Owner
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Patrick_sl said:
According to ESPN, Ray Rice didn't lie about what happened in the elevator. That he told the NFL exactly what we saw on the tape. At least that's what I remember from one of their shows.
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This is what makes the knee-jerk reaction to Rice even more laughable. I've read numerous reports that there is nothing in the video that differs really all that much from the play by play that Rice gave the Ravens and the NFL. They based their little 2 game suspension on that story. So nothing had changed except there is now a video (which everyone knew existed back in May) of what Rice actually told them happened.

The lesson - make sure there isn't a camera around when you cold cock your wife. The NFL is also is either lying out the ass or extremely incompetent. TMZ said the casino source told them the NFL never requested the video from them, which they would of gladly provided.
 
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