North Korea goes full retard

Tuco · Mar 11, 2013

Araysar_sl said:
Crazy talk. I'm sure someone stepped in and sold food to fill the void in the market. This sounds like another screwup from that tax loving liberal Obama

I hesitated to post that statement because I wasn't sure how much the English government enforced, enabled or directed the east india company.

TrollfaceDeux · Mar 11, 2013

hodj_sl said:
they and three generations of their family are imprisoned in the concentration camps, or executed outright. Its a very effective system (up to this point, it can't last forever) at keeping the people under control.

just gonna drop in and say that this shit has been going on since Joseon era or even before. Usually, if accused of treason and your name/rep is tarnished (even if you are not formally convicted), you, your brother, your father, and your son will be stripped of the stipends, title and exiled to god forsaken country/island. Everyone gets fucked. Some of them, after getting fucked, gets reinstated and posthumously saved from eternal shame. Family members did a lot of shit to just clear up their dead relative's rep. This shit went on for hundreds of years.

Stalin did the same shit but not to the extend of jailing every single family member to fuck them over. They jailed enough to scare them into submission. So called silent disappearance in the wintery night and shit.

this has more to do with culture than anything else but still, effective yeah. Family is everything in East Asia.

chaos · Mar 11, 2013

Jozu_sl said:
Yeah, the concentration camps they have over there are fucking insane. Its like Soviet era Gulags. They literally will have you work yourself to death, or work until you are physically unable to, and then kill you themselves. Women, children, whatever.

The good news for them is they have held for 60 years. They havent held "strong" but they held. Its a shame too, given that 95% of North Koreans would behave exactly like their brethren from the south if given the chance. They would be a peaceful, technology addicted culture that wants nothing else than happiness. But instead the North's power structure takes advantage of their own population and oppresses any naysayers.

To me, it is interesting that we are getting to the point where no one alive in NK has lived outside of the current system. Not quite there, but getting there. I wonder if all hope for revolution will be gone at that point. I'm assuming that life there is pretty close to what we are told in our media it is like. No access to non-government information sources, no social mobility, very little food, no outside travel, etc. I wonder, do the people realize they are being lied to or manipulate? Is it fear that keeps them in line? Or is this how they believe the world is?

Heylel · Mar 11, 2013

Based on documentaries I've seen on NK, they really do believe the lie. I remember seeing this one hidden camera thing on Netflix about an eye doctor who went to North Korea to provide basic care capable of saving people from blindness. I believe it was cataract surgery or something like that, but the hospitals in North Korea were woefully understaffed and lacking in clean surgical rooms or technology. Anyway, this one woman after her surgery falls to her knees thanking Kim Jong Il for returning her eyesight, not the foreign doctor or nurses who did the procedure. They worship the Kims like latter day godkings.

Szlia · Mar 11, 2013

The children of the NK elites are educated in the west, so there is always the hope of a peaceful coup... but how would an indoctrinated people react to changes in the governance? Probably by despair, chaos and/or screaming "Treason!"

AladainAF · Mar 11, 2013

Anyway, this one woman after her surgery falls to her knees thanking Kim Jong Il for returning her eyesight, not the foreign doctor or nurses who did the procedure. They worship the Kims like latter day godkings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7RtFZCpyv0?t=4m5s

(4 min 5 sec is where it starts if it doesnt actually start there from the link)

azeth · Mar 11, 2013

I'm not a very sentimental person but I really hope the Seoul and Pyongyang citizens aren't wholly wrapped up in whatever combat may happen.

Sad day.

McCheese · Mar 11, 2013

I know it gets mentioned in every thread about North Korea, but I can't recommend "Nothing to Envy" enough. It's a short, easy read that gives a fantastic view into what daily life is like for an average North Korean citizen.

At this point I am just hoping to see an "end" to North Korea during my lifetime. It will be horrible for everyone involved, but also incredibly fascinating.

hodj · Mar 11, 2013

Trollface_sl said:
this has more to do with culture than anything else but still, effective yeah. Family is everything in East Asia.

Definitely a lot of the excesses are usually based in particulars of cultural background.

Its a double edged sword, because family being everything in East Asia is also one of the factors in how hard kids work at school to please their parents, and it also pays off exponentially as children are trying to get ahead in life so they can then kick some of that back towards the parents in retirement, reducing the strain on the broader society.

khalid · Mar 11, 2013

Readhttp://www.amazon.com/Nothing-Envy-O.../dp/0385523912a few months ago, recommend it highly for people interested in NK. The people there for the most part don't have access to any other information. Of course you believe the lie if thats the only thing you have ever heard.

Citz · Mar 11, 2013

McCheese_sl said:
I know it gets mentioned in every thread about North Korea, but I can't recommend "Nothing to Envy" enough. It's a short, easy read that gives a fantastic view into what daily life is like for an average North Korean citizen.

At this point I am just hoping to see an "end" to North Korea during my lifetime. It will be horrible for everyone involved, but also incredibly fascinating.

I bought it after a recommendation from another NK thread on FoH. A very great read. While it shows how crazy their lives is in NK, it also makes you realize that the culture shock, if some kind of merge ever happen, will be catastrophic. The book shows a good example as to how some NKers managed to get in SK and then get fucked by some shady SKer stealing their welcome package exploiting the naivety of the newcomers.

TrollfaceDeux · Mar 12, 2013

Citz_sl said:
I bought it after a recommendation from another NK thread on FoH. A very great read. While it shows how crazy their lives is in NK, it also makes you realize that the culture shock, if some kind of merge ever happen, will be catastrophic. The book shows a good example as to how some NKers managed to get in SK and then get fucked by some shady SKer stealing their welcome package exploiting the naivety of the newcomers.

that shit is sad (saw it in Kimjongilia). They will have hard time adjusting to Korean society, especially work. The life in South Korea is not easy. Religion (Christianity) will help for sure, however. Best way to get them readjusted and introduced to a trustworthy community.

Cinge · Mar 12, 2013

Trollface_sl said:
Religion (Christianity) will help for sure, however.

Wait what?

Glory Goose_sl · Mar 12, 2013

Silence_sl · Mar 12, 2013

^ Genghis Kim gonna bust some heads.

Zhaun_sl · Mar 12, 2013

How Christian is South Korea and how will it have any bearing on fixing the North?

Can't tell if troll or if a "Jesus fixes everything" fanatic.

hodj · Mar 12, 2013

No idea about South Korea, but one of my Mandarin teachers was three years younger than me, from China, and in her first 4 months outside of China she converted to Christianity.

I'm pretty sure that's why when they came back after Christmas break she had a "husband" from China there who appeared to be about two decades older than her, (and believe me, she was WAY out of his league, he was missing teeth and shit, she was a pretty cute lady) followed her around all day long and went to class with her and they had pictures from their "wedding" that looked like they had been taken in a hotel room.

Man that shit was weird.

But yeah I think Christianity is pretty big in Asia.

Numbers_sl · Mar 12, 2013

Zhaun_sl said:
How Christian is South Korea and how will it have any bearing on fixing the North?

Can't tell if troll or if a "Jesus fixes everything" fanatic.

There are a lot of crazy Christians in Korea. My old Korean boss and his wife were devote lunatics and part of some Korean Christian cult that they were always trying to push on people through mockery of their employees beliefs.

iannis · Mar 12, 2013

The asian Christians that I know are fucking hardcore. I'd probably call them lunatics too if I weren't Christian myself. As it is I can understand their zeal... but Christ. I've had some interesting conversations with friends and... it's just fundamentally a different understanding of the gospel. I honestly do think it's cultural. But I ain't gonna say they're wrong.

I take the involvement of the church to be much less of a "Jesus makes everything better" statement and much more of a "organized charitable society" confronts the problem sort of statement.

And yeah, the Church would have a part to play. That's part of what the Church is for.

Heylel · Mar 12, 2013

Yes, that's exactly what they need. Another set of fables and fairy tales with a cruel and distant father figure at their center.

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