North Korean Hackers Attack On Sony

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Big Phoenix

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Surprise? Rage? Come on some shithole of a country is trying to say what we can and can not enjoy, attacking our freedom of speech. We dont spend 550 fucking billion dollars a year on the DoD so third world shitholes can dictate what we can and can not watch.

Of course that ignores the fact that Americans are gonna be put out of work when Sony Pictures goes bankrupt.
 
Xequecal

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Big Phoenix_sl said:
Surprise? Rage? Come on some shithole of a country is trying to say what we can and can not enjoy, attacking our freedom of speech. We dont spend 550 fucking billion dollars a year on the DoD so third world shitholes can dictate what we can and can not watch.

Of course that ignores the fact that Americans are gonna be put out of work when Sony Pictures goes bankrupt.
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So what are you raging against? Human nature? This is a country where we consent to having our balls fondled to fly on airplanes because we're afraid of terrorists, do you really think even a bullshit threat like this one isn't going to cause people to stay away from theaters that show this movie? What do you expect them to do? Piss away billions so you can feel good about how freedom of speech was respected? Running the movie will drive them out of business even faster.

Not to mention, Sony is a Japanese company. Japan is a country in range of NK ballistic missiles and is constitutionally prohibited from engaging in war. You don't think that doesn't unnerve them at least a little? This fiasco isn't exactly speaking highly of the sanity of NKs leadership, after all. They provoke SK by murdering their people on a regular basis. How well do you think Sony's president is sleeping at night?
 
khalid

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Giving in to terrorists literally always fails. If we all just shrug and ignore it, this surely won't be the last time that this happens. The lesson will be "not even the US and a company as big as Sony can do anything about this".

I'm not saying we should invade NK or anything silly like that, but we definitely need to do something to ensure this won't be a continuing issue everytime some country gets upset at entertainment in the west. Bad enough we have let anything involving Mohammad be a "no free speech allowed" zone.
 
Xequecal

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khalid_sl said:
Giving in to terrorists literally always fails. If we all just shrug and ignore it, this surely won't be the last time that this happens. The lesson will be "not even the US and a company as big as Sony can do anything about this".

I'm not saying we should invade NK or anything silly like that, but we definitely need to do something to ensure this won't be a continuing issue everytime some country gets upset at entertainment in the west. Bad enough we have let anything involving Mohammad be a "no free speech allowed" zone.
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The thing is this is pretty much just railing against human nature as well. What do you want to do? Mandate that Sony throw away money? How do you get the people who forego going to the theater because of the threats to go anyways? A lot of them probably aren't even making this decision consciously, it just pushes them to another form of entertainment.
 
Xequecal

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I seriously doubt people would "forego going to the theater" because of North Korean threats.
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Not many would, but like I already explained, it doesn't take a lot. Even a 2-3% drop in attendance would lose them more money than this movie would make them.

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Sony caving to the demands already loses them all the money. As for the theaters themselves, sure, if they don't want to show it, fine. However, you haveplenty of theaters that DO want to show it now, but probably didn't care about it before. Sony should let them show it.
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Sony has no choice but to cave to the demands. Every single major theater chain announced that they would not show the movie. Why should Sony spend the money to get it out there if >90% of all cinemas in the US aren't going to show it? Your link has ONE theater that wants to show it.
 
Intrinsic

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He explained that earlier:

"This movie cost $40 million. If it's successful, it can maybe make $120 million... So a 10% reduction in customers for that movie alone due to the threats and they're in the red already."

See, obviously!
 
Xequecal

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Intrinsic_sl said:
He explained that earlier:

"This movie cost $40 million. If it's successful, it can maybe make $120 million... So a 10% reduction in customers for that movie alone due to the threats and they're in the red already."

See, obviously!
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If you're going to strawman me, at least post something that makes sense.

The fact is when you have a 15-25 screen theater and you lose 3% from every single one of those screens it's worth a lot more in total than the movie would make.
 
Heylel

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Your math doesn't work. A loss of 3% from every screen would mean a loss of 3% revenue. Nothing more.
 
Frenzied Wombat

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khalid_sl said:
Giving in to terrorists literally always fails. If we all just shrug and ignore it, this surely won't be the last time that this happens. The lesson will be "not even the US and a company as big as Sony can do anything about this".

I'm not saying we should invade NK or anything silly like that, but we definitely need to do something to ensure this won't be a continuing issue everytime some country gets upset at entertainment in the west. Bad enough we have let anything involving Mohammad be a "no free speech allowed" zone.
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The question is what can we do? Even if they were to hackzors Warner Bros next week, and then the White House the week after that, what can we do? "counterstrike" cyberattacks are fairly useless against NK considering the vast majority of the population doesn't even have "real" internet, and we can't ever do anything militarily because they have nukes, so I myself am at a loss as to how we combat this.

These hack attacks open up a whole new realm of possibilities for despotic countries that don't have the might or technology to put real muscle behind their rhetoric. It opens up a new avenue of war that any nation, no matter how backwards or impoverished, can wage as long as they have a few smart kids with shitty Acer laptops, a Tor browser, and a few mifi cards..

I take this as another example/reason as to why it's so important that Iran not get nuclear capability. Iran is listed along with Russia/China as having the most sophisticated groups of cybercriminals, and as soon as they have nukes Rohani's Cheshire smile will quickly disappear and we're going to see cyberattacks out of Iran on a consistent basis. Then, just like NK we won't be able to do jack shit about it.
 
Chukzombi

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this movie cost more than 40 million to Sony, they probably spent a ton of cash on advertising for the film. and thats just what they spent on this film alone, now that Sony made people want to see the movie or were made aware of it at least, taking that film away is going to piss people off and cause their brand name to take a huge hit. Sony used to be a great company, my dad even used to work for Sony Records. now the company puts out shit. oh great, lets keep rebooting spiderman, Jack and Jill with adam sandler, great idea!
 
Xequecal

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Heylel_sl said:
Your math doesn't work. A loss of 3% from every screen would mean a loss of 3% revenue. Nothing more.
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Yes, and? Do you think that running this movie would increase their total revenue by more than 3%?

If this was some blockbuster like Star Wars that NK was bitching about, no way would they pull it. A movie like this one where making triple the budget is an exceptionally good result isn't worth it. Why would you risk losing 3% of a billion dollar blockbuster plus whatever you lose on your other 20 screens in order to make $100 million on this?

It's fucking amazing to me how people for some reason don't trust corporations to know how to make money. Especially in this case where basically the entire goddamn industry is unanimously choosing the same option.
 
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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
The question is what can we do? Even if they were to hackzors Warner Bros next week, and then the White House the week after that, what can we do? "counterstrike" cyberattacks are fairly useless against NK considering the vast majority of the population doesn't even have "real" internet, and we can't ever do anything militarily because they have nukes, so I myself am at a loss as to how we combat this.

These hack attacks open up a whole new realm of possibilities for despotic countries that don't have the might or technology to put real muscle behind their rhetoric. It opens up a new avenue of war that any nation, no matter how backwards or impoverished, can wage as long as they have a few smart kids with shitty Acer laptops, a Tor browser, and a few mifi cards..

I take this as another example/reason as to why it's so important that Iran not get nuclear capability. Iran is listed along with Russia/China as having the most sophisticated groups of cybercriminals, and as soon as they have nukes Rohani's Cheshire smile will quickly disappear and we're going to see cyberattacks out of Iran on a consistent basis. Then, just like NK we won't be able to do jack shit about it.
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These aren't really even hacks if you look at how shit was done. Their network was left completely open and the shit they stole was completely unencrypted. They had all their passwords and SSNs in plaintext excel files.
 
Drinsic

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This pretty much guarantees I won't pay for any movie related to Sony unless they release the film. You know, if they ever put another one out.
 
Sebudai

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I might be a retard but Xequecal's math is nowhere even remotely close to making any sense to me.

If you pay to make a movie, and pay to advertise it for months, there's absolutely no way you're saving money by not showing it. I don't get it.
 
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