NVidia GeForce RTX 50x0 cards - 70% performance increase, but AI > you

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According to retailers over here, AMD is selling them the cards above MSRP and then gives them credit to make up for the loss they take when selling at MSRP. But they only do so for a limited number of cards, so once those are gone they have to start selling at higher prices.

Article is in Dutch but I'll link it below if you want to machine translate it.

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Wat ging er mis bij de AMD RX 9070 (XT)-release?

Wat ging er mis bij de release van de AMD Radeon RX 9070 en RX 9070 XT? De voorraden leken zeer ruim, maar toch schoten de prijzen de lucht in. Tweakers zocht het uit.
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sukik said:
For what it’s worth, Nvidia said they shipped more 50 series cards at launch, than they had for any of their initial launches.

I’ve given up looking online for the time being. I’ll be driving through Kansas City in a few weeks, and I’ll try to pick something up a 9070 xt, or Nvidia something if anything is in stock.
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China soaked up a high percentage of those Nvidia 50', I'm sure.
 
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Borzak said:
Kind of surprised they haven't gone to a metal bus bar now for power instead of a wire. Maybe they will when they push it, more power.
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I don't understand why they don't use a separate power brick / cord all together.
 
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Doesn't even matter because at a certain point 15/20A breakers aren't going to be able to handle the draw
 
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From an electrical engineering perspective, It would be a lot better to do a single large wire instead of a bunch of small ones in parallel like they have now. I used to do car audio installs and a large amp can exceed the power draw of a GPU (>1000W amps aren't uncommon) and you just use a single fat wire with a spade connector (ideally crimped and then soldered) that goes into a screw terminal. It's not complicated or expensive and more or less immune to losing contact under vibration/bending.
 
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Nvidia should replace Jensen with a more honest spokesman.

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Lambourne said:
From an electrical engineering perspective, It would be a lot better to do a single large wire instead of a bunch of small ones in parallel like they have now. I used to do car audio installs and a large amp can exceed the power draw of a GPU (>1000W amps aren't uncommon) and you just use a single fat wire with a spade connector (ideally crimped and then soldered) that goes into a screw terminal. It's not complicated or expensive and more or less immune to losing contact under vibration/bending.
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It makes me giggle to think about hooking up my video card with some 00 power cable lol. Wonder if I can find an excuse to toss a couple of farad caps in there too...
 
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Actually the thing I remember learning about electricity and wires, is that the current actually travels along the outside of the wire. Not on the inside like people think. So you get more current? flowing along multiple spooled wires (greater surface area) rather than one large wire.
 
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mkopec said:
Actually the thing I remember learning about electricity and wires, is that the current actually travels along the outside of the wire. Not on the inside like people think. So you get more current? flowing along multiple spooled wires (greater surface area) rather than one large wire.
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Skin effect.

There is just no safety margin in the connector and cable. Pure bad design, putting fashion (size) over function. How about a latching system between card and cable, to ensure the connection is even across all pins. How about improving the contact area between pins. How about upping the wire gauge for extra safety. How about redesigning the spec to allow for per-pin monitoring to allow the card to take action (downclock) when the power distribution is too uneven (Asus Astral gets close but requires user intervention - should be automatic).
 
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The connector and the spec is dogshit. Asus is technically violating the spec on the Astral with their per pin monitoring. The spec calls for all 6 power wires to be fucking bridged on the PCB. It's wild that this got approved.

 
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mkopec said:
Actually the thing I remember learning about electricity and wires, is that the current actually travels along the outside of the wire. Not on the inside like people think. So you get more current? flowing along multiple spooled wires (greater surface area) rather than one large wire.
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Skin effect is for alternating current, the cables coming out of your power supply are all direct current.
 
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X-posting this with the Desktop Computers thread, but since I haven't actually built a PC since 2011, what obvious mistakes have I made here: Custom AMD PC by Micro Center

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I think the procesor is overkill a 9800x3d will suffice for games. Unless you need extra cores for productivity.
also 260$ for an AIO? Arctic Freezer III 360 is what I would buy.
 
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I think the procesor is overkill a 9800x3d will suffice for games. Unless you need extra cores for productivity.
also 260$ for an AIO? Arctic Freezer III 360 is what I would buy.
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OK, I figured for $70 the upgrade to the extra 8 cores was worth it, but that's fair.

They don't have any AFIII 360s in stock, only the 240. I put the OOS one in my build for now.

I appreciate the feedback. Happy to take any extra opinions or advice - I'm still trying to figure out if the case comes with fans or how many I need to buy.

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No idea what the temps are on the 9950, but I cooked a 5950 in about 1 year with just regular desktop use wear and tear nothing special. The most that people were willing to say on the internet was they "run a little hot".

If the 9950 "runs a little hot" that's plenty of reason to go with the 9800. I had a full size AIO and 6 fans it just wasn't enough.

Definitely get the protection plan they offer. It's guaranteed replacement on any part that fails and you just drop the rig off and queue it.
 
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I use a $30 peerless assassin in my 9800x3d and it idles at like 41 and gets up to 60’ish under load in Monster Hunter. Maybe a couple degrees higher but not much.
 
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Yeah you'll never see 60c in a 5950 doing anything. Just using a browser streaming some videos it's 70c for starters, and any game pushes it to temp limit.

Wouldn't get a 9950 unless you are open to the possibility of eventual CPU failure due to inadequate cooling.

I didn't particularly see any real way to get temps down on a 5950 besides a custom loop. No thanks.
 
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