Talespin's wreckage occured mostly during streets phase of King's Row. Which like I said most teams swap off Widow during that phase. I think Gods moved over to McCree there and Seagull was on Pharah. But even vs a Widowmaker Talespin's movement in the air with Pharah was like nothing I've seen a player do before.
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I'll watch it for sure - for that section most defending teams do a big hold right at that corner leading to the last straightaway before the left angle push to the last checkpoint. The alley to the left + the long cooridor upwards is a great McCree ult setup spot and you can tuck your team into that nook with the mini healthpack and hit them from behind once the payload passes that point. If the defending team doesn't have a Lucio ult to back it up though teams will opt to let the attackers have the checkpoint and just defend the last capture point ramp and utilize widow there (and Pharah gets shut down hard in that long hallway.)
Depends on the team of course, and of course no amount of paper strat talk can overcome players outskilling another team.
Depends on the team of course, and of course no amount of paper strat talk can overcome players outskilling another team.
Envy defended a bit further up than normal. They defended kind of by the "S" curve in the streets. I believe that almost all the McCree ults were bum and just shot into a Rein shield. InternetHulk was also playing out of his mind on Winston that match as well. He didn't get the frags like Talespin in the kill feed but he was absolutely disrupting the back line everytime LG tried to push.
If you hate Winstons just stack some DVA or like Mures said Reaper. DVA is almost all armor so his Tesla cannon really gets diminished DPS on her HP bar.
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"minor" balance patch coming this week..
No balance patches since release ? - Overwatch Forums
Edit: There is a another post by Jeff saying it's McCree and Widowmaker. No D.va buff I guess.
No balance patches since release ? - Overwatch Forums
McCree nerf and hopefully D.va balancing is what this will bring this week.
Edit: There is a another post by Jeff saying it's McCree and Widowmaker. No D.va buff I guess.
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How do you guys know who's the counter for who? Is there a list somewhere? I'm curious because someone a bit back said Widow was the counter to Pharah, but even though I suck I've had good luck taking out Widow as Pharah. If we could get a list going that would be cool.
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They haven't said. Honestly Mcree doesn't bug me as much as Widowmaker because he still needs to be at close range to do most of his damage. Roadhog hook+shotgun shit all over him usually or any good ranged.
Widow your only real option is to harass her with Dva/Winston or hope you have a better Widow on your team.
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Well I've seen a LOT more shitty mccrees rocking anyone with that flash-fan combo than I've seen WM's dominating games. Even when you DO see a WM locking down a game, it's usually with her team playing to her strengths---they don't overextend and they commit just when the other team goes after her.
Mccree tho... any worthless scrub can flash+fan.
Mccree tho... any worthless scrub can flash+fan.
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I feel like most the counter lists I have seen, aren't that great. Anyone w/ a direct hit shooting 'counters' Pharah, projectile shooting is a non-reliable source in killing her.
It really comes down to who gets the jump between Widow and Pharah. Widow really is a good counter to Pharah as she can swat her out of the sky really fast but if she can get her rockets close to her it becomes challenging due to the hopping. There are only so few that can really do any sort of aim correction on the fly against that, so it might seem to be the opposite.
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There was a list I saw somewhere at somepoint, but as some basics for the hardest heroes to deal with
Rein: Symetra (rclick goes through his shield), Winston (weapon goes through shield), and Mcree to a lesser degree (Flash bang above his shield to drop it)
Widow: Another widow, Dva or Winston since they are mobile (they lack the damage to kill her usually, though...she just runs away most times)
Tracer: Mcree (flash n' fan), Roadhog (hook n' shotgun), Junkrat to a lesser degree (steel trap stops her)
Bastion: Genji (reflect), Zarya (bubbles for energy when bastion shoots, then rclick energy bombs), any good ranged that knows how to sneak n' peek (widow, hanzo, pharah)
Toblerone: Same as Bastion. Dva is also good vs. him.
Mcree: Roadhog (hook n' shotgun), any good ranged
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This is the most common complaint i see said about McCree, funny thing is these are the same people that can't or won't play him? they just get salty and tweet Cucklan to nerf him lol
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I've used Roadhog to hook Bastion's out of turret. It's not the best counter but it gets the job done sometimes.
McCree is still going to have the flash and fan he just won't be able to do it against tank characters and take them out. Sometimes against a really good Tracer it seems like the only way to kill her. Hooking them is such a crapshoot sometimes.
McCree is still going to have the flash and fan he just won't be able to do it against tank characters and take them out. Sometimes against a really good Tracer it seems like the only way to kill her. Hooking them is such a crapshoot sometimes.