Paleo 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman

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This one is for Ark, I am thinking of doing UD2 by his boyfriend Lyle McDonald. The paleo is going well still but I am paranoid about losing muscle as I cut fat. So I'm thinking do UD2, then paleo is perfect to maintain. Anyway I'm re-reading the e-book now and I found this:

Lyle McDonald_sl said:
This most complicated machine, your body, the one that hates you (but really loves you)
still thinks that you're living the rather plebeian existence of our ancestors. Our modern lifestyle
has only been around for the last couple of thousand years or so, far too short a time for our
bodies to adapt. As far as your body is concerned, you might as well be a paleolithic man named
Og (no jokes about the mental capacities of athletes, please) living on the plains.
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Lyle McDonald_sl said:
But what about muscle, that's useful right? You've got to be able to kill stuff to survive
and that means muscle. Yes and no. Although it's wonderful to imagine Paleolithic man taking
down wild animals with his bare hands like in all the "Tarzan" movies, it's more likely that man
used his bigger brain to outfox animals when it came to hunting. Our brains are staggeringly
large (relative to our bodyweight) than those of other animals; most likely we used our brains to
compensate for relatively less muscle mass.
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This most complicated machine, your body, the one that hates you (but really loves you)
still thinks that you're living the rather plebeian existence of our ancestors. Our modern lifestyle
has only been around for the last couple of thousand years or so, far too short a time for our
bodies to adapt.
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More and more biologists are challenging this kind of thinking. There is a growing school of thought that humans unprecedented ability to exert control over their environment sets them apart from any other species that has ever existed on Earth, including previous generations of Homo sapiens. Termed 'techno-physio evolution' by one author, its basic premise is -
the health and nutrition of one generation contributes, through mothers and through infant and childhood experience, to the strength, health, and longevity of the next generation; at the same time, increased health and longevity enable the members of that next generation to work harder and longer and to create the resources which can then, in their turn, be used to assist the next, and succeeding, generations to
prosper
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http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218...50_excerpt.pdf

Another term is niche construction, which is more in line with actual evolutionary biology. Here's a great scholarly paper on it for anyone that's interested in real science and evolution.http://lalandlab.st-andrews.ac.uk/ni...ion36and38.pdf

All organisms constantly interact with their local environments,and they constantly change them by doing so. If,in each generation, populations of organisms modify their local environment only idiosyncratically or inconsistently, then there will be no modification of natural selection pressures and, hence, no significant evolutionary consequence. If, however, in each generation, each organism repeatedly changes its own environment in the same way, perhaps because each individual inherits the same genes causing it to do so, then the result may be a modification of natural selection. The environmental consequences of such niche construction may be transitory, and may still be restricted to single generations, but if the same environmental change is reimposed for sufficient generations, it can serve as a significant source of selection.
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Dashel_sl said:
This one is for Ark, I am thinking of doing UD2 by his boyfriend Lyle McDonald. The paleo is going well still but I am paranoid about losing muscle as I cut fat. So I'm thinking do UD2, then paleo is perfect to maintain. Anyway I'm re-reading the e-book now and I found this:
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ok?

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Considering his hate for the Paleo crowd, him mentioning the main idea behind it twice in the book struck me as funny. He simply equates the difference to "modern lifestyle", which we haven't yet adapted to. Now apparently this modern lifestyle really shit the fan since 1970. Another quote:

UD2_sl said:
That's at the root of the modern problem of obesity: constant availability of high calorie, highsugar,
high-fat foods. Decreases in daily activity is the other big part. Though our genetics are
the same as they were 10,000+ years ago, our environment has changed drastically.
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Dashel_sl said:
Considering his hate for the Paleo crowd, him mentioning the main idea behind it twice in the book struck me as funny. He simply equates the difference to "modern lifestyle", which we haven't yet adapted to. Now apparently this modern lifestyle really shit the fan since 1970. Another quote:
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Mentioning, literally a few sentences, the main idea behind a Paleo diet in a book about a CKD that involves carb load of over 1000g of carbs in one day, where he clearly says to eat high GI starches and juices if I remember correctly.

So yeah, great find you fucking idiot.
 
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Yes he also suggests using drugs as part of a short term solution to basically fool the body into behaving the way you want it to. The carb refeeds are not any long term nutrition plan. This is also a guy who literally wrote the book on Ketogenic diets, another similarity with paleo. Lyle is a smart guy and I like his books, he's also a bit of a prick and has a strange ego. Prone to rants as well, but that's fine so long as his stuff works.


With that out of the way have you done any of his diets and did it work? Work meaning lost fat and no muscle loss. Specifically Rapid Fat Loss or Ultimate Diet 2.0.
 
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He is a huge asshole and he's had battles with depression for years.

I've never done the UD 2.0 but I've done a CKD and it actually worked extremely well and I felt really good doing it. It just isn't sustainable for me because its so limited.
 
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Ok thanks. I find what I eat now to be perfect for sustaining. No counting required and never hungry. I just am paranoid about muscle loss. A few people recommended his PSMF a while back to me but I never got around to trying it as I hit my goals earlier than expected.
 
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Dashel_sl said:
Ok thanks. I find what I eat now to be perfect for sustaining. No counting required and never hungry. I just am paranoid about muscle loss. A few people recommended his PSMF a while back to me but I never got around to trying it as I hit my goals earlier than expected.
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It's unavoidable. If you don't want to lose muscle while dieting then use steroids. Otherwise it's going to happen.
 
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Dashel_sl said:
Ironic name.


That raises my blood pressure. Fucking grain eaters.
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So you're saying if you followed that diet to a T. Your blood pressure would go up even though it's heavily studied and was created to lower blood pressure?
 
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This is particularly funny:

http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets

#1 diet = DASH
Last place = paleo

I think it will be funny watching Dashel try to shit on the DASH diet. Especially with his comment about raising his blood pressure, ironic. We've already seen that he doesn't have the basic abilities to interpret scientific literature and can't be bothered to read a complete study. So, I for one look forward to seeing a know-nothing tell me why a scientifically proven diet sucks.
 
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THIS JUST IN: Dietary experts that believe carb-heavy diets are good for you and saturated fat is bad for you rate paleo poorly!
 
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Convo_sl said:
So you're saying if you followed that diet to a T. Your blood pressure would go up even though it's heavily studied and was created to lower blood pressure?
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My comments were tongue in cheek. I dont care if people eat grains, I have more of a problem with promoting bread, pasta and cereal and demonizing fat and meat.

I have no comment on the DASH diet in particular, sounds like a typical American Heart Association recommended diet. A typical American is likely to be overweight of course and as we've been counseled to reduce fat we've gotten fatter. I think we covered I disagree with a lot of what they say.
 
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