Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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As I said, this was a VERY small, VERY simple system design doc. The point I was trying to make is game design involves a lot of specific details that the average person doesn't think about when they think "game design". You being in the software industry understand this, so my doc doesn't look like much to you.
The other point is, people are claiming they didn't do anything because apparently they feel the guys at VRI should have published all of their design documents for all to dissect, digest, and pontificate endlessly about. What I'm saying is, nobody outside of the people who were on that team has any idea of how much work was done. You don't, I don't, nor does anyone else who posts on this forum. Anyone outside the team who thinks they "KNOW" how much work was done is basically clueless. I'm not trying to defend everyone, but it drives me nuts when armchair designers think they know everything, when in fact they really have no idea.
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That's Apprentice Developer to you. I paid my $10 donation thank you very much.
Convo
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Who is "we" in this question?
It's very easy for a few people on a forum to get excited about a game they want, but there needs to be more than just a few hundred people interested in something for a company to commit several million dollars to make it. If I was rich, I know the kind of game I would make, but because I was rich, I really wouldn't care if many people actually wanted to play it.
As for what SOE is making.. I don't sit in on those meetings. They're above my pay grade. What I DO know is, the games being worked on have garnered incredible interest from a large base of people, so I don't really think it's fair to say we're making games that people don't want.
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To be fair you DO sit in on meetings where you could explain that a new progression or even old school server would be in their best interest for a massive quick cash infusion. Sadly, SOE never understands this. It's been how many years since the last abortion of a progression server with stuff that shouldn't have even been in the game and revamped zone from not even the same decade?
Making a legit old school EQ server would basically make Pantheon pointless.
DickTrickle
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Just exactly how much do you think a server like that would bring in when EQ doesn't even require subs any longer? And how many people and hours to get it *exactly* like Classic? Please.
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Mandatory monthly fee to play on it. Remember Stormhammer? LOL @ $40
To the people that want it they will pay it anyways.
As I've brought up in some interviews, the total raised dollar amount had an error in it. I went through all of the paypal and 2checkout money (which are the only two places we've received funding to-date) and the correct amount is $147,218 as of 4/11/2014
Tom has since fixed the issue by putting in that $147,218. Right now it doesn't change with money coming in post 4/11, but we're working on that.
We apologize for this error -- there was no way to access paypal and 2checkout directly from the website, and so there were issues. We certainly were NOT trying to mislead or confuse anyone -- our apologies if it did.
-Brad
This post was edited by Aradune at April 23, 2014 2:26 PM PDT ____________________________________
-Brad "Aradune" McQuaid
The reasons why a truly old-school EQ server can't happen have been detailed countless times. That some people don't like the answer doesn't make it any less true.
The progression server is something we have discussed, but I can't give any more details than that.
If you guys didn't listen to this, just WOW. Thanks Convo for linking. I was kinda lazy getting around to listening to this and just did today. Just WOW. When Salim comes on.....if you haven't listened, you should. Trust me. Salim comes on around 2:34ish. This is a MUST HEAR.
And if Salim is lurking, props to you. Thank you for being honest with the community. People need to hear this. Brad is done in this business. If anyone is still supporting him there is nothing else anyone can do to show its not a good idea.
Chukzombi
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i dont want the eq that it was at release. no fullscreen and when you med you stare at a book til lv 30s
, not to mention the snail's pace progress.
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Kirun
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You're correct, we don't knowexactlyhow much work was/wasn't done. However, we can speculate off of the evidence of "work" that wewereshown, and what wewereshown paints a pretty clear picture that not much work at all was done. If you, they, or anyone else has evidence to the contrary, I'm sure we'd all love to see it.
Chukzombi
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i did, i played 2 months, went from 1 to max and then got bored and quit. i have been back in eq since january. went from 65 to 85 on chuk and went from 56 to 83 on my shadowknight and still have tons of stuff to do and am having fun. the game is not a snail's pace anymore, but its also a lot more interesting than when it started. in classic, you leveled very slowly to 50 then you camp resist gear and hope you can get in a guild that raids naggy/vox/planes. thats it. people have a selective memory on what the old days were like.