Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

Furious said:

They do care about Kickstarter but they have 0 credibility with the gaming community.

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Lol the "gaming community" has no idea who this guy is. EQ is ancient history. The average person playing MMO's today was too young even for WoW.

Furious said:

Problem is it still looks bad.

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No it doesn't.

Furious said:

VC will stay away, despite what you and 2 others here think.

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They already have funding, that is how they got it to this point.

You guys are like a broken record of dumb whiny propaganda. I said this before but apparently you forgot, if your life is so boring that you need some inject some distant drama into it, and you choose to do that with this game, I seriously pity you. I pity me too for even having to talk to you. Sad times.

zzeris said:

Whew, some on here think that most of the posters here didn't try Vanguard.

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I played it a LOT, and it was awesome. Even in spite of all the bad bits.

zzeris said:

We all did. It was a buggy underoptimized mess.

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It was only buggy and unoptimized because it was released a year before it should have. If you took any successful game ever made and played it a year before release, it would have been the same way. The problem was funding. Even you should be able to understand that?

zzeris said:

It had some great ideas and some really poor implementation.

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What was poorly implemented?

zzeris said:

That's Brad's highest funded effort...and, it went poorly.

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It was his ONLY funded effort, retard. It is the only game he ever made apart from WarWizard, some pet college project. The only other game he was a big part of was EQ which was a massive success. And Vanguard might be his "highest funded game" (again, his ONLY funded game) but it was about 2.5 times lower budget than other MMOs of the time got, like Rift. And it lost its funding mid development. Plenty of games fail before they even release, this isn't even close to being unique or new. You Comical Ali of MMO Doom types like to pretend it was just a complete shit show, but it wasn't. The game was great, it just needed a manager to get it funding to take it to completion. Any big successful game you can think of, if you played it a year before it was finished, it would be buggy and unoptimized too.

zzeris said:

Now, he suddenly will make a game that's not buggy as hell(all of his games have been really buggy),

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He isn't 'suddenly' doing anything... He went awol after Vanguard for years, then starts blogging for a year or so, then eventually announced Pantheon and even that has been a few years now. None of this is sudden. And again with the propaganda, "all of his games have been really buggy" is bullshit. He only has 1 game. It is like me saying all of your faces have been really fucking ugly. He had one game and it never got completed. EQ was not really buggy, and it wasn't his game either. It was 989/SOE's game, Brad worked for them.

zzeris said:

and is going to wow a bunch of people that have never heard of him before? Not likely

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Whoever said it is going to wow a bunch of people? That isn't what this game is about. Wowing dumbasses is what shit like Black Desert is for. People who look at a screenshot and go wooooooow duuude srsly literly bro omg! Only because they fail to notice that everything beyond 50m is like looking at a smudged finger painting with glaucoma and the gameplay is garbage even by Asian grindfest standards. The point of Pantheon is to make a game for a different audience, one who hardly ever gets games made for them at all, and when it is, it is some low budget indie game. EQ peaked at something like 550,000 subs but that is only at any one time. There could be millions of people who played and loved that game. I was one who played from release through the first 3 expansions but quit some time around Luclin and the peak was after that point. So I am a superfan yet I am not one of those 555,000 people, and there are a lot of other people in the same boat.

There are also little indie games like Minecraft cleaning up because they are the only game out there which tries to create an actual believable world and a billion people go nuts for it because they have never seen a game do that before. And Mark of the Ninja a smash hit because it is hard and requires a lot of skill and is super fast, and sells huge amounts because the average gamer today wasn't even alive when everyone was playing Street Fighter 2. I play ESO, I can see how young and clueless gamers are. When people in that game talk about "old games" they talk about Oblivion... That is why these little indie games like Minecraft, Dark Souls, Mark of the Ninja, Super Meat Boy, Terraria, end up being such a big success... because they sell to a huge generation of gamers who have never even seen or heard of anything like that before. I grew up with games like that, Street Fighter, SimCity, Contra, etc.. most games back then were really ballbustingly hard compared to modern games, and they had depth and they cared about things like virtual worlds and realism etc.. All that got forgotten when the huge corporate publishers took over the industry.

In other words, you have a lot of people from my generation who had great games in the 80s and 90s but you don't get games like that anymore. We desperately want something like a new EQ. And then you have a huge new generation of people who have NEVER played games like that, so this will be a totally new experience.

And the most important thing of all is that it isn't made with CryEngine9, and it doesn't have a team of 400 people etc. so it doesn't even need to get millions of players to be a success and make a good profit. It is a cheap Unity game made for a niche audience and that makes it a lot easier for it to succeed.

How much autism could and autist autist if the autist was autistic?

zzeris said:

retarded. Says Brad only made one game but he was the producer and a lead designer for EQ.

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qwertyqweqwertwqert said:

The only other game he was a big part of was EQ which was a massive success.

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If you are going to call people retards, at least learn to read. You post like a biased teenager who wants to fit in by being negative like all the others on this dead forum. And he wasn't the "lead" designer. He was one of 3 designers and had nothing to do with most of the important stuff like the world, the lore, the classes, the art style, etc. He also wasn't the producer until later on after release.

zzeris said:

buggy, PoS game because he had to do it early. Hey, dumbfuck Qwerty! What do you think he's going to do this time? Just utterly retarded...

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You just completely failed to understand my obvious point, and yet you call people dumbfuck retards... The point that went right over your head, is that he failed at securing funding, but not at the actual game design, even though you like to keep it simple and pretend everything was bad. He admitted the funding thing was a fuck up so for this game he has hired a complete management team. With the amount of time you waste with your retarded posts, you could have spent the 30 seconds to look at the team on their website.

zzeris said:

Brad's made two games in his life and both were buggy as fuck

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No. YET AGAIN YOU RETARDED CUNT, Vanguard was the only 'Brad' game, and was only buggy because it never got finished. EQ was 989/SOE's game and Brad was just their employee, and it wasn't buggy as fuck either. Get a better angle. If it wasn't for that game this forum wouldn't be here, and if it wasn't good, it wouldn't be getting talked about so much 17 years later.

EQ was Smedley's concept, and Brad was just one of 3 designers, and Smedley was the boss who handled the funding and management of it.

zzeris said:

he isn't going to make another buggy one with less funding and a small development team. Nope, not that guy! He doesn't do that shit... .

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So by your count he made 2 games, one failed, one was a massive success and made them all millionaires, and therefore he is destined to fail again. Gotcha. What is your favorite pokemon?

zzeris said:

What was poorly implemented? Nothing but the game's code. No biggie.

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Lol just the code. Which conveniently nobody has seen, and is completely unjustifiable. Good one.

zzeris said:

Compares this to Minecraft...ROFL. You can't make this up!

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I didn't compare it to minecraft. If you have no reading comprehension, why even come here? You should be in school.

zzeris said:

Qwerty, game chunked through it's entire more than 20,000 subs lifetime. The game had tons of crashes early. Many areas of the game had little content because of financing. The easy point here; funding affects coding, servers, hiring, everything. You admit the game wasn't ever finished and he had a TON more money than he's had for this game or will have for this game. No SOE or Microsoft to bail his ass out again.

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So what? That all means nothing... Vanguard was a huge game with massive scope, three big spheres of content, crafting better than any other game, using Unreal engine license and then heavily modifying it, etc.. etc.. Pantheon is nothing like that... You really need to smoke less pot and read more books.

Fight said:

Mass quoting and replying is a losing venture every time. It reeks of insecurity and desperation for others to acknowledge you. You are basically like a Westboro Baptist protester, showing up to a soldiers funeral and taunting the family members. How can anyone take you seriously or have any feeling about you other than loathing?

Vehemently attacking or defending a game that has not come out yet is pretty moronic. Just sit back, hope for the best, and participate in a normal discussion.

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Good one retard.