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Whidon

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I posted yesterday that to me, number of backers per day is almost just important, since it looks like most backers are going to go for lower tiers if that's gets them in alpha. Average 70 backers (what it did yesterday) is not going to get this game to goal.
Yeah i have been watching the backers numbers also.Although I would expect the number to be larger then 70 on average going forward. what sucks is that if this had the initial boost that most KS had and good high end tiers 70-100 daily during this period would easily get it. As it stand it's likely going to need about 120ish average during the "valley" as a minimum I feel. perhaps even more like 150-170 because the average pledge amount is soo low.

Also to those who have noticed it's stuck at 170s for a while.. thats because one then the other 10k got taken back.
 

Mr Creed

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They did something almost exactly like this in GW2. However, it kind of sucked. Initially they were all pretty easy because you could just zerg them. It was damn awesome the first few times, but still very easy. They revamped some (or added new ones) that were much harder but then required genuine planning that really only a guild can offer and the zerg could actually fuck it up by not following instructions. It's a pretty difficult task to balance risk vs reward there.
It's still a good idea, GW2 just didnt dare to put in the consequences. Since everything flips back and forth every other hour nobody cares about saving the village. Events like this can be part of the game but they need to have more risks as well as rewards (both things ArenaNet didnt include in their game on purpose). Events like this should be uncommon to rare.
 

Whidon

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Where do people think the AMA should go subreddit wise? i was thinking gaming or something but it's mostly console-plebs. /r/iama is likely the best for Brad and possibly the devs.. the pantheon sub is too little known and mmorpg is dead mostly.
 

Quineloe

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If your going to give everyone a permanent light source, what's the point of dark nights to begin with? I actually agree with Brad, I think it should be limited to certain zones. For example, a make a zone similar to Kithicor where tree cover blocks a majority of the night sky.
a permanent light source might have limited shining zone, which is completely different to what WoW did with "night", ie just a bluish day.
 

DickTrickle

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Just to be clear, Bards were badass motherfuckers and no one should talk smack about them. I'm pretty sure no other class could kill 40 mobs at once.
 

DickTrickle

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I duno, it's pretty cool in Dragons Dogma. When a cyclops busts out at night with some bandits firing arrows from the darkness, it's a pretty intense experience.
Man, no doubt. The first time that happened I about shit myself. Funny thing is I somehow got stuck in an area the cyclops couldn't reach me but I was really low level so I spent about 30-40 minutes shooting arrows at it, heh. Good times.
 

Khane

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Where do people think the AMA should go subreddit wise? i was thinking gaming or something but it's mostly console-plebs. /r/iama is likely the best for Brad and possibly the devs.. the pantheon sub is too little known and mmorpg is dead mostly.
I think it's too early for an AMA (for them). I'd love to see one, there are tons of questions I would like to see answered but I don't think they have the answers themselves yet. They need some time to solidify a design doc and game plan before opening themselves up to attack. Right now they wouldn't be able to defend themselves.
 

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Yes, the limited viewable range is the main reason to bother with actual dark nights. Sure, give everyonesomekind of response, even if its a simple torch. But that torch only really reaches ~20 feet away, whereas your normal viewable range during daylight is much much farther.
 

Tol_sl

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It's also been mentioned, but having a dark, unpleasant night is especially cool if there are lots of different ways to counteract it. Have rangers and druids have stuff like dance of the fireflies, wizards able to light up areas with a staff or ground trap. The poor blind bastard warriors can maybe have a torch, eventually earn some sort of enchantment/item or better yet, be able to build a fire at their camp. I think that would have a cool effect of having areas with players being lit up and fairly visible, while the rest of the night is dark, scary, and only illuminated by the stray torch from a puller or lone runner here or there.

Shit, make the npcs all light up torches and bonfires when night-time rolls around. Darkness can be a really awesome immersion effect that also encourages teamwork and class utility skills, but it sucks if it just ends up being everyone stumbling around following zone walls. I'm not explaining myself too well, but if it makes sense, "darkness as an immersion and interaction mechanism, not just darkness for the sake of things being dark."
 

Whidon

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I think people should keep in mind what a unique opportunity we have here. A big name dev comes to our community and starts a KS for the the type of game most of us badly want to see, asks us for input on everything ect.. If this gets funded it's because of rerolled as much as Brad and and his. i mean they are clearly sincerely working very hard at this but the people in this community are putting huge amounts of resources and effort into the project. i bet there is plenty like me simply spamming what boards we visit and games we play with pantheon crap. Not to mention the others working at a much higher level for this.

How many online community's will ever get the a chance like this? I bet most would kill for it. We have a chance to write a cool story for this game. If it gets funded I bet youll see plenty of articles about it.
 

Utnayan

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How many online community's will ever get the a chance like this? I bet most would kill for it. We have a chance to write a cool story for this game. If it gets funded I bet youll see plenty of articles about it.
Or he will blow the cash faster than he mismanaged Vanguard, especially without anyone holding his ass to the fire. Microsoft is also fairly liberal with their oversight and we all saw how that turned out. Now, he has absolutely none.

What Brad needs is a Scott Hartsman.
 

Mahes

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Just to be clear, Bards were badass motherfuckers and no one should talk smack about them. I'm pretty sure no other class could kill 40 mobs at once.
Just 40? Couldn't they kite an entire zone( Halls of Honor I believe) ? In fact zones were outright changed because of bards lolol.
 

Mahes

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Or he will blow the cash faster than he mismanaged Vanguard, especially without anyone holding his ass to the fire. Microsoft is also fairly liberal with their oversight and we all saw how that turned out. Now, he has absolutely none.

What Brad needs is a Scott Hartsman.
If Scott Hartsman got on board with this, then I would heavily consider donating. I want a game like what is being described. I just do not trust the current process, because there is literally nothing being shown yet. A high school programmer can post pictures and describe a dream. I want to see some effort having been put into this before I just throw money at it. While I am all for forgiving for a past, A person needs to earn forgiveness lest the past is just repeated.

In short, the KS was too soon...
 

Bruman

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If your going to give everyone a permanent light source, what's the point of dark nights to begin with? I actually agree with Brad, I think it should be limited to certain zones. For example, a make a zone similar to Kithicor where tree cover blocks a majority of the night sky.
I meant permanent as "always accessible", not necessarily "always turned on if you don't have your torch out / holding a fire beetle eye in your hand / whatever". I wouldn't want it to be 100% pitch black either in outdoor zones, but I'd expect a much decreased amount of visibility when you're only traveling by moonlight.

As for why? The same reason we don't like instances, want travel to be meaningful, etc etc - just for immersion.
 

Quineloe

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Or he will blow the cash faster than he mismanaged Vanguard, especially without anyone holding his ass to the fire. Microsoft is also fairly liberal with their oversight and we all saw how that turned out. Now, he has absolutely none.

What Brad needs is a Scott Hartsman.
your personal thread not good enough for you?
 

Vandyn

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I meant permanent as "always accessible", not necessarily "always turned on if you don't have your torch out / holding a fire beetle eye in your hand / whatever". I wouldn't want it to be 100% pitch black either in outdoor zones, but I'd expect a much decreased amount of visibility when you're only traveling by moonlight.

As for why? The same reason we don't like instances, want travel to be meaningful, etc etc - just for immersion.
Instances ruin immersion, but 100 players on the the screen on once making it a slideshow does not?
 

Tide27_sl

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In my opinion,

Most of what this community says they want is not feasible in todays market.

People have nostalgic memories of Everquest because it was their first MMO and that cant ever be replicated. I raided with FoH on EQ1 and EQ2, and have played in various other mmos with members from this board and others.

Some things Ive seen on this thread that people would just "love" to have back in this new MMO. In no particular order..

EC Tunnel ) Everyone has fond memories of the EC Tunnel or Kelethin trade area because there was no auction house and if you wanted to buy / sell...that's where you went.

If you fast forward to todays generation, including people that experienced the EC tunnel in its glory days, people don't want that anymore. Proof is in every mmo released since WoW that releases without a working AH. Just reread some of the threads from this board and others at the rage when the AH, GTN, Broker...etc..etc doesn't work on ( insert MMO here ). There have been plenty of instances where the auction house feature didn't work in past MMOs and instead of people forming their own "network" and "community" and start trading...they flood the net with rage and hold onto everything they have until the AH is working. Reread some threads here, the same people wanting this EC tunnel type of trading were the same ones bitching when an auction house didn't work.

No in game maps )

How exciting right....99% of the EQ player base just looked on EQ atlas when they needed to go somewhere or camp some random named. Why not take the tedium out of the map system and just include one in the game. There was nary a time that entire guilds didn't have access to maps and just because you are looking at a paper map versus an ingame map doesn't make you hardcore. Its the same shit.

Open World PVP )

Another exciting topic for about 4 vocal people that continue to act like its something that's so gamebreaking, if its not included in the game it will fail. Open world pvp is fun for about the first few days a server opens until a few people get a massive jump in levels due to play time and find it exciting to harass people that cant fight back. Ive played on Pvp servers as well, and after the initial leveling rush, its nothing more than ganking. Very few times does open world pvp actually make sense.

Instancing )

Because we all know we have time to sit at a camp for anywhere from 4-24 hours while doing nothing these days. Now with the advent of technology and automation, its simple to just write a script to claim any and all mobs that are perceived to have any value. The days have people using the batphone and calling you at 3am because a raid mob is up is over. People dealt with that then because that was just the way it was done. Gaming and the genre have moved forward. With botting, automations, and widespread accepted RMT these days, everything worth camping will stay perma camped by the same people...while the rest of the player base has no shot at those items unless they want to pay RL cash for it.

Long Grinds and Hell Levels)

Im sure this is an exciting concept. Sit in one spot while 1 person is actually playing the game and pulling, and the other 4-6 people are semi-afk hitting their 1,2,3 macros over...and over...and over...and over...and over again.
But this time instead of having to sit in a zone for 6+hrs killing the same mobs, we can sit there doing it for even 4x as long!! How exciting!!! Grinding wasn't fun in EQ, and hasn't been fun in any MMO to date. So why do we insist on not only grinding, but doing it for much longer?? Back in the day before smart phones, multi monitor computers , the ability of having a computer powerful enough to alt / tab out of the game ...the long grinds and boring combat made some friends. In this day and age, there is no way I could stomach grinding with a majority of the player base. Trolling is a popular e-sport now, compared to back then when it wasn't. There is a reason no one really communicates in mmos these days, and that's because they are on voice chat most likely with their already established friends, while you have no desire to chat with your experience / dungeon group. People cant stand doing 40+min dungeon grinds anymore and there is usually never a word said, I have no clue why people think we should go back to this archaic design.
 

Utnayan

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your personal thread not good enough for you?
I am going to keep posting about my thoughts on the Kickstarter and Brad McQuaid and the likelihood of the success of the project even if it is funded. Brad has some decent ideas when it comes to making games. If this is funded I think now the question would be who the hell is going to manage him, because no matter what he has learned; he isn't a business man, lets his personal feelings cloud hiring decisions, and loses focus quickly. And this was with tens of millions of dollars coming from Microsoft. This hasn't changed. He's a game designer, not a C-Level executive. He's out of his league running a company.
 

DickTrickle

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Just 40? Couldn't they kite an entire zone( Halls of Honor I believe) ? In fact zones were outright changed because of bards lolol.
Probably -- I couldn't really remember. I do think I saw an 80+ HoH kite before -- it just sucked because there'd be those one darker guys that could cast in the farther back area. I did a lot in that Ykesha expansion land... I probably got up to 50ish in there.