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Dumar_sl

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Did someone here mention the WoW paladin? Holy shock almightly, that class NEVER had an identity - NEVER. It literally and fundamentally changed every single patch, let alone every xpac. Fuck the WoW paladin right in its blood elf ear. Could be the worst fucking class I've ever played in an mmo, and I played it for fucking years. Why? I don't know. Only vanilla shaman was worse.

HEY GUYS, you like holy light? Well... GUESS WHAT! That's the only button you'll be pressing in a raid for the next 3 years! Better than EQ paladin? Surely you jest mightily.
 
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popsicledeath_sl said:
It's a great pitch for a niche project. They did have the advantage of 1.5 million to get to where they are, which certainly helps. I think I'm going to back the project tonight, though, because it sounds awesome and like they're worthy. I'd never got involved in KS, but the more I do, the more I find there are a lot of other projects I want to allocate my yearly charity/entertainment money toward....
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Who wants to give to the homeless and starving when you can give to neckbeards making mmos...
 
pharmakos

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who says they even want to beat WoW? i would be fine with a small niche game with a lowish population. for instance, my favorite bands are not at the top of the billboard chart.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
Did someone here mention the WoW paladin? Holy shock almightly, that class NEVER had an identity - NEVER. It literally and fundamentally changed every single patch, let alone every xpac. Fuck the WoW paladin right in its blood elf ear. Could be the worst fucking class I've ever played in an mmo, and I played it for fucking years. Why? I don't know. Only vanilla shaman was worse.
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First he says the class never had an identity. Then he says class had a new identity every single patch.

WHICH IS WHICH! IM CONFUZZLED
 
zzeris

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Lithose is spot on. The genre needs to move forward into something completely different. EQN in it's variations looks to actually do that and I'm stoked to be a part of it. EQ was fun and maybe someone does look at this KS and say 'we could do it much better' and CU is the KS we will emulate. At the same time, 1600 pledges is weak. And some companies will look at that more than the other parts.
 
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pharmakos_sl said:
who says they even want to beat WoW? i would be fine with a small niche game with a lowish population. for instance, my favorite bands are not at the top of the billboard chart.
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Lady Gaga, McDonalds and WoW are the best ever. Nobody is better. Their success proves it.

People should only copy them, anyone else is an idiot.
 
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Gavinrad_sl said:
First he says the class never had an identity. Then he says class had a new identity every single patch.

WHICH IS WHICH! IM CONFUZZLED
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He also complains that the class changes constantly and that the class spent 3 years only casting holy light.
 
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Dumar_sl

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Yep, because literally every single fucking ability fundamentally changed EVERY SINGLE PATCH. Every. one.

Divine Intervention? You use that? Oh! HAHA! Well we took that away, for some reason.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
HEY GUYS, you like holy light? Well... GUESS WHAT! That's the only button you'll be pressing in a raid for the next 3 years! Better than EQ paladin? Surely you jest mightily.
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That's funny, I never even hit holy light. I spent my time with the pally playing whack a mole with raid overlays.
 
Gavinmad

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Well I was consistently the best healing class in the game throughout all of vanilla. Guess that ain't much identity.

*edit*

Although I agree that paladins have been the most molested class in the game by far.
 
BoozeCube

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Hey all,
Just wanted to drop a line to say hello and thanks for all of your pledge, also to please have patience. We have many more class updates left and you never know what they will be like. While we are using games like EQ, FF11, and VG as inspiration that does not mean that we are just copying and pasting them into our game. The lore in our game is very different and it is the foundation for some of the ideas we have come up with. We want Pantheon to have its own identity and I think that will become more and more apparent as more information is released.

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Hello everyone,
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you all for pledging to Pantheon, we know it's because of you, our fans that we are able to make this happen. With that said let me assure you that we are keeping a close eye on the comments and I want to assure you that your feedback is very much appreciated. We have noticed that the classes are a hot topic of debate recently so I wanted to take a moment to clarify a few misconceptions. First please keep in mind we are in the early stages of pre-alpha development, which means that you will be seeing changes on a pretty consistent basis. The list of classes you see on our Kickstarter will play very different from what you might have come to expect, so I would ask you hold off judgment until the rest of the classes are revealed. With that being said what I can tell you now is the lore of Pantheon is rich and vibrant and as we delve deeper in the upcoming weeks all will start to become clear, and the initial lineup of classes will make more sense. We are always drawing inspiration from many different sources. Our goal is to provide, you, the players with a new experience that is truly unique and unlike anything anyone has experienced before.

Best Regards
Sal
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Here is an example of how to equally say absolutely nothing but still sound like you might have a clue about what you are doing.
 
tad10

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zzeris_sl said:
Lithose is spot on. The genre needs to move forward into something completely different. EQN in it's variations looks to actually do that and I'm stoked to be a part of it. EQ was fun and maybe someone does look at this KS and say 'we could do it much better' and CU is the KS we will emulate. At the same time, 1600 pledges is weak. And some companies will look at that more than the other parts.
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I don't know what this means really but if EQ Next is the future I'll stick to my cave and stone wheel. Well unless storybricks is super duper.

My biggest objection to Pantheon is the lore is so meh. Take eq/vg mechanics and stick it on some lore other than generic high fantasy.

Or, if you're going to do high fantasy, don't focus on super PoP. Look to movies/tv for inspiration and devise a progression server from the get go. The world has planned changes due to whatever political and other storyline is created. Always have zero day servers popping up for newbies so they can experience the evolving world until they merge with an up to date server.
 
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Poin Dexter_sl

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Dumar is correct. Everyone got the gist of what he said, quit nitpicking.

The Paladin in WoW just about changed every patch, and was radically altered every expansion. WoW was fun for a bit, however I do miss the social dungeons and camps of EQ. Those made me feel like I was playing a MMO, instead of a single player RPG with a multi-player option. "Rare" loot was rare for about a week before everyone and their mother had it.

Bring on the Ghoulbanes and the Soulfires! I want /inspect people and go "Holy Crap! I have a goal, to get that badass gear! What do I have to do..." and ask the person, instead of oh look it up online.

Yes, I am the asshole who would ask for the sake of being social. Screw looking things up on the web, I want to play a game with other players.
 
Muligan

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Hey guys,
Thanks for the continued feedback. I just wanted to pop in quickly to reiterate that no information is being held back - we want you guys to have the information as much as you do. But it takes time to prepare the presentation of it. We can't simply upload design docs that are mid-way through completion, so the updates have been coming out as they're finished.
For example, the screens that Vu sent yesterday were posted only about an hour after he had finished work on the area.
As for the class details, again, that takes time to write up and present in a reader-friendly format. The same is true of all the details. The focus of the team right now is getting you that information as quickly as possible.
In addition to that, the team has been gathering more Qs from the community and getting those questions answered. We also finished up a whole bunch of interviews today that asked even more of those questions. We're also planning on an AMA very soon, where Brad will get a chance to answer your questions in real time.
In the interim, we can't thank you enough for your interest in the game. We're thrilled to see as much passion in the community as there is in the development team and we don't plan on relenting at all in getting that info out as quickly as possible.
--Ben.
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Here we go...
 
Muligan

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So essentially, once again, they have nothing in "presentation form". Then why Kickstart? I would have, at least, prepared 15 days worth of content releases that came out the same time everyday like clockwork. In the meantime, have a couple of guys answering questions, and then modify and present the last 15 days based on feedback. They had what..... the first day prepared and they had to spend valuable development time re-working their first day Kickstarter?
 
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Dumar_sl said:
Did someone here mention the WoW paladin? Holy shock almightly, that class NEVER had an identity - NEVER. It literally and fundamentally changed every single patch, let alone every xpac. Fuck the WoW paladin right in its blood elf ear. Could be the worst fucking class I've ever played in an mmo, and I played it for fucking years. Why? I don't know. Only vanilla shaman was worse.

HEY GUYS, you like holy light? Well... GUESS WHAT! That's the only button you'll be pressing in a raid for the next 3 years! Better than EQ paladin? Surely you jest mightily.
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Right there with you as well. I played a Paladin in WoW as my first character. Holy shit did that class disappoint. They took what had always been defined as a holy warrior in high fantasy lore in to a fucking Healer OR Tank OR DPSer. What the fuck... seriously. Where in hell did anybody ever get the idea that a holy warrior would ever be a main healer or DPSer. It was the stretch of all stretches in order to make the "be what ever you want, and pretend you chose it on purpose" class. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
 
BoozeCube

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Muligan_sl said:
Here we go...
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You know I at least commend them for that, still though even though we've asked the same questions about a thousand times now. Why didn't they just wait a couple more weeks in the very least before putting up this kickstarter. I still feel the best course of action for them is to pull it down, make a statement and let everyone know why will repost the kickstarter in X number of days while they better prepare.
 
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