And you were obviously one of those pansies who couldn't get in a raid guild so you were left behind crying about how you should be able to zone in to POF and that's no fair you pay the same amount as the raiders etc etc... Just because you sucked at your class don't tell those of us who could actually play you should get the same rewards we get. Run along now back to WOW and stop humping our legs.
Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Ahn'Qiraj Raider
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Can I have your stuff??I'm real mad, bros!
I've very disheartened at the way the Pantheon Kickstarter was started, but even more so with how they're finishing it. It seems to me they've given up. They were basically absent for a week, and when they come back it's clear they weren't working on something to get the KS finished strong, but working on setting up Plan B once the KS failed It's clear they've given up on the KS, so why shouldn't I?
And, instead of just admitting they screwed up the KS are would try again or actually do work on their own, their answer is for us to give them money directly on a private website? No thank you. Not a chance.
They failed on a fairly public, tried and true, method like Kickstarter that others in very similar positions have used to great success, and Kickstarter has at least some level of accountability, tracking and standards. Basically, they failed to meet the expectations of a Kickstarter, so why should I trust them to succeed when the expectations and transparency are suddenly removed?
To me, this would all be akin to not preparing for a professional meeting with a publisher, not showing them you've done any work or are at all serious about a project, hoping to just get the backing of a publisher based on a few ideas and names... and then when the publisher opts not to fund the project, and with good business sense behind the decision, going up to individuals from the meeting and in the parking lot asking them for a private donation.
Yeah, you're right, that scenario wouldn't happen in the professional world without the company pitching their game looking like unprofessional scam artists. But, it's happening here, basically, and why? Because Virtual Realms doesn't respect us, the the people willing to give them money directly out of our pockets.
If they respected us, they'd have gone to KS with more than a bunch of ideas and a few names in the industry thinking it would be easy, because what, we're ignorant suckers who have no expectations?
If they respected us, they would have put more effort into explaining more clearly exactly what they were planning to do with our money (because people are STILL confused).
If they respected us, they wouldn't have taken time off in the middle of asking us for money to not focus on living up to our donations or earning more, but planning for the project we were still supporting to fail (if the KS looks like it's going to fail, man up, own it, cancel it, apologize and try again or try something else, don't just abandon it and make everyone look like idiots for continuing to support it!).
And if they respect us, and themselves as professionals, their great plan wouldn't be to simply keep accepting our money with even less accountability on a private site, when we've already tried to give them money through a public, respectable means like Kickstarter, and they couldn't live up to even those standards and expectations.
I guess if people want to donate anyhow, I don't really care, it's your money. I just wanted to explain why I'm not donating, and very dubious of this project's legitimacy at this point even if it does managed to fund in the last days. At this point, I've lost most of my respect for this team and this project, and having a game to play isn't worth being treated like this and supporting this lack of respect and professionalism. It's about more just a few bucks, it's about an industry that has comprised itself from a game-design standpoint, now compromising itself from a professionalism standpoint in the hopes of getting the game-design right.
And the only way they'll succeed, now, is under the expectation that we don't have any expectations, under the notion that we don't have enough self-respect to see they're being disrespectful, with the thought they can be as unprofessional as they need to be because we aren't refined or intelligent enough to know the difference.
I'd rather hold out hope a company with more respect for not only it's potential players and people donating to the project, but for themselves as professionals, will come along and do this right. And I'm okay if that game never domes. I'd rather never get to play the sort of game Pantheon could have been, than to play it because of the unprofessional, disrespectful debacle that this has become.
But seriously, amirite, Ut! Damn him for being right again!
what lol, playing most classes in EQ involved absolutely no skill. It was all about managing to get your foot in the door of a raid guild and then having the time commitment to raid a ton.
Kaines
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Wrong again. Played a raid cleric. (i.e. stared at the floor and pressed my CH key during rotation). Saw everything from Trakanon and VP to PoTime. Saw the training, ks'ing, flaming, /ooc spamming, zone crashing, shit-fest that you seem to think is "hardcore". You're still an adolescent shit stain on your favorite ergonomic computer chair. Get the Cheetos out of your neckbeard and realise you are a fucking loser.
popsicledeath
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Yet the UO model with Lord British himself is up and running and even thriving (relatively to WoW). NEXT.
popsicledeath
Potato del Grande
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popsicledeath
Potato del Grande
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Seriously, we're already back to e-peening about EQ and calling people faggots because they don't want to play GW2 or TESO? Let's spend a bit more time watching Pantheon crumble, shall we?
iannis
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You just aren't believing hard enough.
Brad is a great game developer.
For me to poop on.
DickTrickle
Definitely NOT Furor Planedefiler
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I'm still really confused as to how they're going to continue. Brad said devs were waiting to join but only if this funded; without funding it doesn't seem like those mythical other people would join. How the hell does he get people who actually create instead of design? Is Vu going to create Pantheon all by himself?
Kaines
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Shining Rock Software
Created by one person. Everything from art assets, sound, game design, game play, everything. One guy. And the game looks solid based on all YouTube videos I've seen of it. Comes out tomorrow. Vu can do it!!!
Soygen
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Pfft. Please, dude. A large portion of this community were in the end-game / top guilds in Everquest and a large portion do not want to play that kind of game again. I'm not even going to get into a pissing match about how well I played my EQ toon, but let's not pretend that anyone who doesn't want to play Pantheon: Rise of the Neckbeards is somehow some gimp player who doesn't know their shit.
popsicledeath
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They'll basically hope to get enough private donations to start up a studio that out of the gates will be living month to month. How could that go wrong?!
And I don't go to WOW or GW2 threads/forums and start telling them why I think the games suck and start insulting the entire playing base just because I don't enjoy those games. I don't visit the threads at all. Why? They are enjoying the game, or at least its fun enough to kick around so why would I go in there to start telling them how I think the game should be? I don't go and start shitting up threads just because I'm not the key demographic for that game and it gets old listening to these faggots all running around in here telling us that Pantheon is a crap idea and all of us need to "evolve" and start playing REAL games. You guys don't like the idea of Pantheon? Cool! So go post in the game threads you like and stop taking a crap every fucking page telling us why the things we enjoy about gaming are all crap and how we are all neckbeards (still don't know what that means actually) who need to get with the times. Don't go away mad, just go away.
Vandyn
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I think it's funny how you think WoW (and others like it) are so easy to blow though it's content when you have admitted that you've never played WoW, let alone been in a high end raiding guild in WoW.
DickTrickle
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Kirun
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No, the people in actual raiding guilds realized what a shit-heap EQ was and moved on to games that had real,tangibledifficulty. The peopleoutsideof raiding guilds are still stuck in the 50s, pining for the "good 'ole days", because they read the rants of Furor, Tigole, and the rest. Theythinkthey know what life was like, but they base it almost entirely on nostalgia, negationism, and theirinterpretationof what actual raiders said about the high-end.
People that are stuck in this "JUST RESKIN EQ!" mindset were either never in a raiding guild, or weren't in one for long. EQ is almost universally looked down upon as horrible, at least amongst the people who raided for any serious length of time at the high-end(guilds that cleaned up the scraps don't count as "raiding" guilds). It doesn't mean we didn't enjoy our time spent, but looking back at EQ mechanically? Gameplay wise? It was an awful game.
That is pretty much par for the course for Merlin. For a lot of them actually. It is quite amazing how deep their hatred for all things WoW is, but in reality their personal experience with end game content is limited, or non-existent. Someone said it earlier. When you see someone use the "WoW is ez mode" shit you know you are talking to a retard and can just skip the rest of their posts on the subject.
Jimbolini
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That technique is actually workable if it is handled correctly. Hopefully they are getting some good advice on that way to fund raise.
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So why are you even here spewing your bullshit over and over? You have countless games to play now. WoW, LOTRO, SWTOR, Tera, GW2, STO, AoC, Rift, Aion, DDO.... Soon to be TESO and Wildstar. So why come hear to preach? You think youre gonna change our minds with this shit? The industry already gave you countless 2nd gen and 3rd gen games to play as the above, and is pretty much not stopping either so why are you so worried about some niche community that wants to relive the past glory days of EQ?
We get it already you thought EQ sucked and the future of games is the above, so why are you not even playing them since they are so much better, require so much more skill, much better games and all that other bullshit.
