I thought they were arguing about how he, even back then, is doing the same thing now. Minimally little to nothing other than being an acting Exec-producer. Argument that he stole something to make profit is pretty much every company in existence!
Absolutely. Unfortunately being a idea man doesn't qualify him to make good games. Vanguard being a damn good example of that. Which is at least something to consider when he is standing there with his hand out.
It's a given almost everything fantasy ripped off AD&D which pretty much derived from traditional norse mythology and a lot of Tolkien. MUDs basically copied and borrow things that work, similar to FPS games today.
I disagree with you on the Vanguard not being a good game part. Vanguard was a good game, it just was not finished and it was broken at release. Try not to look at all the negatives and look at some of the positives the game had.Absolutely. Unfortunately being a idea man doesn't qualify him to make good games. Vanguard being a damn good example of that. Which is at least something to consider when he is standing there with his hand out.
I'm really not that angry at all about it. I don't get why calling somebody to task suddenly makes you "angry", or full of vitriol. Eomer explained why he should be called into question, so I won't regurgitate that point.
Did you not read Flight's post? It's pretty obvious he did not. His absence from Vanguard and this Kickstarter make it all the more obvious. The only "work" the guy seems capable of, is PR spin and getting consumers to buy into his hype. I've even admitted that is the one thing he's done very well - selling people on what an immaculate "vision" he has. You can chalk it all up to "jealousy", but all the information from former employees, industry insiders, etc., paints a very different picture.
Hedid? No,hedid not. He had an idea and road the coattails of the money man(Smed)and theactualtalent(Trost, Clover, etc.).
Nobody is sayingnothingwas done. It's obvious that despite them possibly "ripping off" Sojourn, they still made a fairly large iteration on the game. What's being questioned, however, is how responsibleBradis for the 2D to 3D iteration. From the evidence we have available, it appears that he, in fact, had verylittleto do with it. The only evidence we have to the contrary, isBradsaying he had alotto do with it, and if you still believe him, I have a bridge that you might be interested in..
I don't see how he isn't trying to defraud people. He's an idea guy who's only success is stealing someone else's ideas. He starts up a KS without any real work or planning being done and then lies about it. Multiple times. Halfway through that KS, he then completely abandons it for a pay to truly participate forum. How many of those are out there? His entire success has been riding off the work of more talented people. If that isn't really a fraud, then maybe I just don't know what one is.
Not sure if it was implied I had any high opinion of the man - when I say writing content is the ceiling for him I am saying "dont allow him near any relevant decisions or designs". Writing content is pretty low on the totem pole, isnt it? If I'm wrong there and you need it crystal clear: I want a game similar to old EQ. I do not want Brad to have anything to do with it at all.
Bullshit dude. You know as much about him and his involvement with EQ and Vanguard as me, And thats fucking ZIP NADA ZILCH. Prove me wrong.
Well said Eomer.
Well, there's plenty of evidence from former employees, industry insiders, etc., if you want to look. Flight even posted a pretty detailed outline of it all. Now, maybe they are all just "jealous haters", like most of the fanatics would claim, but then you have to ask yourself - why are guys like Hartsman so highly regarded/respected, if it's all just borne out of jealousy?
Because he still has people willing to follow him in the industry. If he was such a no talent ass clown with no ideas of his own and absent, do you think those 12 people would be following him right now? Many of which worked with him in the past?
Vanguard was what Aradune managed to accomplish with 20-30 million of other people's money. Keep in mind that he had a significant amount of oversight from Microsoft for that money, and in recent interviews he even had the gall to complain about that oversight and the decision by MS to cut further funding because once the rose colored glasses came off, execs at MS knew they had a huge money pit on their hands that was likely beyond saving. Even with MS looking over his shoulder, he couldn't keep his game on the rails.mkopec_sl said:
In all honesty I haven't followed the KS too closely, so humor me: what industry luminaries does he have following him? What are their resumes and past projects? From what little I've seen, they're almost all bit players with no significant pedigree. Almost no one from the EQ/Verant or Vanguard/Sigil days, because those people would know what's up and want nothing to do with this shit show.
