Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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I went from playing Yserbius for an hour once a week when my dad let me play on weekends to playing Tele-Arena 3.0 and MajorMUD in the early 90s to learning about Telnet which lead me to MUDs.
Louis
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How many times did this guy frick your dog? You've been such an angry poster these past few months man.
Bruman
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That's awesome looking - what is that, and where is it from? Hell I can't tell if it's a to-scale model someone built (with some computer effects added maybe), or a 3D scene someone rendered, or what.
So when you think about it Brad hasn't actually designed a success MMO from the ground up yet. EQ was a technical project because the game itself had already been designed by someone else. They just needed to port Sojourn to 3D. Since Brad didn't code EQ by himself to give him more then a nod of recognition is giving him too much credit. EQ exists because Sojourn was popular, and a bunch of people helped build a 3D world based off it. Vanguard only exists today because SOE was stupid enough to put it on life support. It would of been a distant memory by now had SOE passed.
I honestly have no idea why anyone has faith in this guy. I have designed as many successful MMOs as him. If you want to send your money to someone for a game send it to me. You have the same chance of seeing a game produced.
Xaxius
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If the guy's whole legacy is based on bullshit I don't see anything wrong with it being pointed out. There is no reason to play pretend just to spare his feelings. If he doesn't deserve credit then he doesn't deserve credit. That would be his problem, not ours.
Dr Neir
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Seems obvious to me, but why doesnt someone just license/buy/recreate SojournMUD and it's derivatives (Duris, Toril, Darkover etc.) just like EQ? I dont know what the status is on license/vaporware. But I am pretty sure SOE doesnt own these and since its past nature was to deny any sort of claim to being a DUKMud from the beginning and EQ was such a success with converting it over to graphical play....
Just saying....
Just saying....
Quaid
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I agree, but if you are gonna trash someone's reputation, at least have the decency to do so with facts. All I've seen put forward are some very loose correlations between some EQ Spells/items (which Brad didn't work on, btw) and entrenched RPG systems found in everything since early DND.
So he played Soujourn, and there are some parallels. So what? When a Chef opens a new restaurant is his work invalid because he put an amazing burger on the menu, and he spent his youth eating at McDonalds and he uses their flavour profile for inspiration?
He worked hard for EQ and he is owed credit.
Abefroman
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Has he said something incorrect? I hate to break it to you, but your emperor has no clothes.
I don't think anyone is saying Brad doesn't deserve any credit. How much credit is what is being called into question. Which is relevant to this thread because EQ is the reason some people are blindly throwing money at the guy. If EQ is just a Sojourn port then Brad honest to god gets WAY to much credit for EQ. The game was designed for him already. It was just a case of putting graphics to the game mechanics. Something that he also didn't actually do himself.
So the question becomes "Is Brad even capable of making a successful MMO from the ground up?". Who the fuck knows? Doesn't seem like someone I'd want to just blindly throw money at though heh.
Mr Creed
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If you look past the current focus on Brad&co this discussion has happened on this board since it was created and will continue longer then Pantheon. As long as it is here or in another dedicated thread the people looking for this game concept wont shit up other threads (not that much, anyway). The idea of "EQ3" was discussed at length in the EQN thread throughout last summer, and that was never going to be a back the roots game - if this thread dwindles away that same discussion will take place in another thread.
And I honestly dont know which MMOs you are referencing - looking forward to EQN myself but that is far away, and from checking into the WS and TESO threads every once in a while people seem unhappy with both?
Quaid
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Well that would require people do some actual research before they post. As of now, this whole exchange reminds me of a fucking tabloid.
It wouldn't take much to do the argument justice. Someone who played both early EQ and Sojourn could easily post an analysis of similarities between the two products. Until that happens this is all baseless conjecture and shit-slinging.
Quaid
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Quaid
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Ask him when he played it, because I'm under a very different impression.Oh? You should tell him that then Quaid.
Also, Flight's post consists of a disgruntled ex-coworker expose. I never take those seriously, and neither should you. The dikumud source code stuff is even more ridiculous now than it was then.
