Kaines
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Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Yeah but in reality was this ever really about a true EQ clone? He never mentioned an EQ clone. What he mentioned is bringing back some of the old principles like focused content for grouping no instancing, in a more modern game etc... no one ever on that team ever mentioned "EQ clone."
Its only what the idiots HERE want.
Big Flex
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In a perfect world..
I heard they make EQ in a browser now.
While several desired this, no rational person expected it to be this. However, when you start throwing out "a return to old school mechanics" crossing certain thresholds, such as radar and dungeon finders are generally regarded as running counter to the "old school" philosophy, and are then considered controversial points when the entire selling point behind the game was exclusion of such luxuries.
I never thought it would be , I got the vibe closer to VG2 than EQ3 , which I would be fine with.
Well that's why I originally pledged , once I saw the ability to complete this project was not there at all ,I knew neither was going to happen anyway.
No, that is incorrect. The further away you get from the core principles of the game the easier is it to add/drop different mechanics to make the game more accessible toeveryone, which is what we want to avoid. I thought Vanguard was done very well and its certainly not a direct clone of Everquest. I simply want the core mechanics to remain in place and work around those ideals. The minute you start adding maps, and dungeon finders, and alters to get your corpse back it creates a snowball effect next thing ya know its fucking Rift or GW2, trying to be everything to everyone.
popsicledeath
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EQ didn't know it was pvpeautiful, that's what made it pvpeautiful!
That was the beauty of it.
Story of my fucking life.
shabushabu
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I can't wait until the kickstarter is over so the negativity here goes away... the bullshit that is being said here by many is more outrageous and ridiculous than the lousy kickstarter tiers were ( that caused the KS to shit in the first place ).. The tiers sucked and they were not ready for this that much is obvious outside of that you guys are really just piling your own shit onto this project...
Look forward to you getting bored of it !
Look forward to you getting bored of it !
Cinge
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Haha you think the KS ending will stop this thread? Uh hello they have a website to accept donations where they charge a monthly sub for access to "private forums".
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Bullshit, no one ever mentioned any "core principals" other than focused on grouping and challenge. The rest of the shit was made up by you and dumar in your heads.
He didn't post on his own Kickstarter site for over a week and suddenly tweeted out randomly asking for angel investors.
There's nothing here that compares to the outrageous and stupidity coming from The Man himself.
It's now train wreck entertainment unfortunately.
No shit needs to be piled on , it's been a 101 class in how to fuck up a Kickstarter.
Vandyn
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Why doesn't everyone also factor the team involved here as to why there are only 2800 backers. Jacobs doesn't have the albatross of Vanguard latched to him either.
Well to be fair , if you do that you are tagged as a "Champion" on said forums , makes all the difference in the world.
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Wha?
While McQuaid fucked 250,000 out of $60, Jacobs fucked 800,000 people out of $60. The only problem is that McQuaid is a bit more well known than Jacobs ever was.
Did you miss the last 600 pages? You know, core principles like corpse runs, long leveling curves, no fast travel, wizard/druid porting, large dungeons, forced grouping etc....Stick to those and build the game around these principles.
Big Flex
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So the words "old school" MMORPG with "a whole lot of EQ1 and a bit of VG" evoke thoughts of instances, dungeons finders, corpse alters, and mob radar to you? Is that what comes to mind? No. And nor does it to the EQ1 crowd he specifically tried to court. (P99, Boogie, etc) So I'm not shocked that people are shocked by these comments, which seem to be grounded in nothing anyway. It's not like there is a design doc, and I'm not to worried about this game coming to fruition at this point regardless.
It is fun to bullshit about though. I've gotten my money's worth from this thread alone.
It is fun to bullshit about though. I've gotten my money's worth from this thread alone.
Don't forget SLASH!!!! as the very first image example we saw on the KS.
Put your best foot forward and all.........Wise decision
Put your best foot forward and all.........Wise decision
popsicledeath
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Imagine a year+ ago, heavyweight theorycrafting match, on the fight schedule:
EQ vs DaoC
McQuaid vs. Jacobs
Old-school, group-based PVE game vs an old-school, group-based PVP game.
I have no doubt we'd have predicted this going exactly the opposite way, to a man, than it has to this point. The only criticism, that would have been generally rebuffed and minimized, would have been that Brad is a flake, flunky and will run anything and everything into the ground.
But here we are, folks!
DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!!!
If nothing else, nobody will ever again be able to argue the direct criticism of Brad as a person and professional isn't valid.
EQ vs DaoC
McQuaid vs. Jacobs
Old-school, group-based PVE game vs an old-school, group-based PVP game.
I have no doubt we'd have predicted this going exactly the opposite way, to a man, than it has to this point. The only criticism, that would have been generally rebuffed and minimized, would have been that Brad is a flake, flunky and will run anything and everything into the ground.
But here we are, folks!
DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!!!
If nothing else, nobody will ever again be able to argue the direct criticism of Brad as a person and professional isn't valid.
This thread man. This thread is the fucking best. Or worst. I'm not really sure at this point.
Mr Creed
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That's all that needs to be said about why this thing is tumbling down, really.
Vandyn
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Are you referring to Warhammer? The difference is everyone attributes EA to that, nobody attributes SOE to the launch of Vanguard.