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Joeboo, it may also be a comfort thing with the nursing at night. He may not be hungry at all, just wants closeness to mommy. My third didn't sleep through the night until I forced it at a year because she wanted to nurse constantly for comfort. It is why at 15 months I am having a hell of a time weaning her because she uses nursing entirely for comfort.

Definitely try the bottle thing first though, because if it is just him wanting to be close to her at night, it is really tough to break.


As I write this my 15 month old is sitting on my lap screaming at me because she wants to nurse and I don't want her to, it is fun!
 

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Messing with a bottle sucks in the middle of the night when you're tired, but if it gets him to sleep for 3-4 hours instead of only 1, it might be worth it.
I'm not sure what you mean by this BUT just in case you don't have one of these, get one:http://www.amazon.com/Munchkin-Powde.../dp/B000RFCXIK

I fill that thing up and have two bottles with nursery water or whatever its called next to my bed every night. When she wakes up I don't even have to get out of bed to make her a bottle.
 

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Yeah we don't use formula, all of our bottles are breast milk, so it has to be kept refrigerated until it's warmed up for use. Which really isn't a huge deal, it just seems like an eternity when the bottle warmer takes 4 minutes to bring the milk from refrigerator cold to body temperature, while you are half asleep with a screaming baby in your arms at 3am, lol.
 

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I think you are vastly oversimplifying child psychology. There isn't always something you can do to prevent an outburst/behavioral issue with a kid, and you certainly can't always track it down to some single incident. Even in those cases, just them wanting something isn't a "need". They are too young to understand needs vs wants until what, 6-7? Maybe older? To them, everything is a need, everything is in the present. My experience has been there is never some one size fits all solution or explanation. Sometimes one incident can set off others, sometimes they are unrelated, sometimes something as simple as them being tired can rule their behavior for the entire day. You have to, as you said, have patience and treat each situation individually.

Childhood is a lot of frustration. Even when I explain to my 4 year old why she can't have something or do something, she sometimes still doesn't understand or care. That is when a lot of issues come up also, and that isn't something that can be fixed with enough patience. Sometimes you just have to say "No" and you don't have the opportunity to provide them with an explanation, at least not one that they will accept.
Acceptance of an explanation isn't necessarily as important as making sure it's available (and offered more often than not). I'm not suggesting you should be a Zen Master, and hug it out with every outburst. Outbursts happen because they're children and don't have an adult's emotional intelligence or emotional capacity. Perhaps a better way to explain my view is to say that adults have had decades to mature and develop coping mechanisms for their disappointments and frustrations - children have not. I think part of your responsibilities as a parent is to help your child develop those strategies, not encourage them to repress their feelings and certainly to not hit them when they're already clearly overwhelmed.

This is where the "afford them AT LEAST the same patience you would an emotionally/developmentally stunted adult" part comes in. I am much more patient with a slow checkout at the grocery store when the clerk has downs syndrome than when they're a 25 year old kid who is staring at the clock and begrudgingly shuffling my shit over the scanner.

I apologize for not being more thorough in my explanation. My kid is no different than any of yours. If I tell him he can't have something he gets pissy/has an outburst, and as he gets older it's rarely as easy as redirecting or offering an explanation to soothe his frustration. What I practice in those situations is identifying the emotion he's feeling, "I'm sorry you're feeling frustrated," and then I ask him if he needs a hug. In this way I'm helping him identify why he feels compelled to have an outburst and, since I'm the reason he's feeling overwhelmed (because I said "no" to something), I make sure my nonverbal communication expresses my unconditional love and acceptance of him.

I understand you don't always have the time to be so accommodating, especially if you have more than one child. I also understand how a seasoned parent can look at what I write and think how adorable it is that I have these pie-in-the-sky views of parenting and that my naive ass is in for a wake up call. The reason I'm even bothering to post this at all is because I think it's important that we see our children as people, a view that is very seldom seen and rarely adopted in our (America's) culture of convenience. "Spare the rod, spoil the child" is appropriate if you let your kids do whatever they want with no consequences, but that's not what I'm promoting.

What I'm saying is that it's paramount to make sure that your attitude and perception of their outbursts is to *always* be that they're emotionally overwhelmed and need help developing coping mechanisms, not that they're spiting you, being difficult on purpose, or whatever other reason we tell ourselves to explain a child's undesired behavior.
 

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I agree that is is important to evaluate how you look at your kids. It took some time before I realized that hey, this is a unique person with her own decision making process, no matter how flawed it may be. It seems such a simple thing, but the concept is kind of strange after you spend so long i the pregnancy and then caring for them in infancy, then suddenly they are toddler with their own ideas. It is a pretty dramatic change.

Yeah we definitely have different parenting styles. I think my girls know that I unconditionally love them, I hope that I show them that enough. But there are many time per day that I don't have the opportunity to do something like you describe here, due mostly to having multiple kids and having to deal with multiple issues at once. I think I'm doing better lately about being patient and working with them. Really I don't want to overstate the difficulty of raising multiple kids close in age, but it is very different and the frustration level increases dramatically from my experience.

What you describe about helping them develop coping mechanisms is something we are struggling with for our 3 year old. She is very emotional, and once she gets going she finds it very hard to stop. Strategies like time out don't work with her really, unless you are sitting there with her she will just continue this emotional cycle where she gets angry and frustrated and starts crying and acting out, the the time out only intensifies that, and it just never ends. That is one of my short term goals is finding a way to discipline her that accounts for her personality. So far I'm not having a lot of luck, but it hasn't been that long.
 
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Joeboo, it may also be a comfort thing with the nursing at night. He may not be hungry at all, just wants closeness to mommy. My third didn't sleep through the night until I forced it at a year because she wanted to nurse constantly for comfort. It is why at 15 months I am having a hell of a time weaning her because she uses nursing entirely for comfort.

Definitely try the bottle thing first though, because if it is just him wanting to be close to her at night, it is really tough to break.


As I write this my 15 month old is sitting on my lap screaming at me because she wants to nurse and I don't want her to, it is fun!
mine cluster fed for 5 hrs straight yesterday. I.wanted.to.cry.

I don't think it was a growth spurt either. He's definitely grown - after 2 almost blowouts yesterday we moved him up to size 1 diapers which we had planned on doing soon anyways because fit around legs wad getting tight, he is over 8lbs and we only had half a box of NB size left. So now we have 25 NB ones I'll just save for next timew. Totally fortuitous that I bought the exact right amount. Haven't had to buy any postpartum yet! All with mad coupons and sales.

But yesterday was hell. I got drunk for the first time since October. Thank god I had about 6oz in the fridge that was less than 24hrs old. I felt so bad giving him a bottle before bed.....i was actually happy to see him for nursing at 5am.

Im going to be a wreck in Oct.
 

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My wife has to go back to work on Monday, she got 3 months of paid maternity leave but had to use up 2 months while our kid was in the hospital, she only got one month with him at home. She starts to tear up whenever the subject of going back comes up, Monday is going to be meltdown city. I'm not looking forward to it.
 

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My wife didn't work a full year last year and she is 11 hours short to qualify for FMLA so she goes back in 2 weeks when school starts.
 
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Yeah my husband is going to drop him off at daycare when I go back to work in Oct. Im going to be a basket case otherwise.
 

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Wow this is a thread I need to go back and read, but tonight was a tough night and I'd like to see what people's thoughts were. I am talking about youth sports. Living in the South that means two things: football and baseball. We tried baseball and my 6 year old son just never really got into it, and after much reluctance (and mind you I really love football) I was coerced into signing him up for youth football by his redneck grandfather. I was almost instantly turned off to it. It is full contact which I think elementary age is a bit early to introduce that to that young of a body, practice three times a week until after 8 p.m., and worst of all parents who are literally pissed off if their kid isn't Lawrence Taylor or Peyton Manning. Two weeks ago I hit my limit when me and the wife were coming in after his 1st grade open house to see them out on the field in the pouring rain. I lost it and made a scene as I grabbed my kid and took him home. However, the wife talked me into continuing, because our son wanted to do it. He was saying he did, but his body language said something totally different.

Tonight, I took him to practice as redneck grandpa was working the farm, and the wife was meeting with some clients. We are going through a humid spell and the kids went a full hour without water and I said something to the coaches which embarrassed ole pappy. He then made a snide comment about my fathering abilities, and something just snapped and I was like "You know you are right! This is a friggin' game with kindergartners. He's done." I feel there are better ways to teach my kid how to work through adversity and gain a work ethic than have to put up with that kind of meat headed retardation. Of course a redneck discussion can't end unless people get in each others faces so he got in mine while I was trying to undress my kid. I don't know. I love Football, and I know it's testosterone on steroids, but does it have to be all out at 5 years old? And what happened to youth sports just being about fun? I am definitely not on the side of "everyone gets a trophy," and they should learn the concepts of victory and failure, but do we have to totally lose sight of priorities in the process? I don't know I stand by my decision, but I just wonder if I really am setting my kid up to quit at the first sight of trouble.
 

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If he actually enjoys it, look for another league maybe. I want to say maybe you're overreacting a bit, but I wasn't there so I don't know what it was like, and from what you wrote here it certainly does sound like the kids are being pushed way too hard. Practice until after 8 for a 6 year old? Yeah, too much. I don't think contact is out of the ordinary for that age group, as long as the coaches aren't encouraging aggression it is't something I would worry about. Sounds like maybe some shit between you and your father in law, also. IMO law down the law on that shit, he's your kid, period. You should welcome their advice, but your word is iron (i'm reading about Genghis khan again...).

If I had boys, I would push them into sports. At least until I got a clear indication that they have given it a really good shot and it just isn't for them. When I was a kid I wanted to quit football and my uncles shamed me until I just didn't. And I was pretty decent and was in good shape and made a lot of friends doing that. And it teaches a lot of valuable life lessons. It was really good prep for boot camp, not that that is necessarily a selling point. It teaches discipline, I think, if done correctly. I guess the key is finding the right sport to push him into.
 

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If I had boys, I would push them into sports. At least until I got a clear indication that they have given it a really good shot and it just isn't for them. When I was a kid I wanted to quit football and my uncles shamed me until I just didn't. And I was pretty decent and was in good shape and made a lot of friends doing that. And it teaches a lot of valuable life lessons. It was really good prep for boot camp, not that that is necessarily a selling point. It teaches discipline, I think, if done correctly. I guess the key is finding the right sport to push him into.
This part is the part I'm most worried about. That's what I want him to have is a healthy love for the game. My biggest problem is the fact that youth sports is ruined by the adults who just take it way way too seriously. I Know I'm overreacting a bit, but in the end making kids play in the rain, or until they puke, and running them ragged just seems so wrong at that age. I want to see that kid bust a 80 yard run... in the wrong direction. I want to see that right guard tackle his own running back. Sure they need to learn from those mistakes but at the same time, it's not a tragedy that just happened. It's actually part of the fun, yet I think some of these chowder heads would literally fall to the ground in tears of rage.
 
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Dude.........................................

Honestly.....eff cluster feeding. 1030-430 today.

Almost had a meltdown today. VP called (for the first time since I went on maternity leave - breaking any/all expectation folks had of his ability to hold off on calling) and I was SO happy to talk about something besides this kid who cant be off the boob more than 15 mins.
 

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Ours is still pretty hit or miss. Last night he fed at 7, slept until 10:30, fed again, slept until 3:30, fed again, and then slept until 7. That was awesome, I felt like a new person getting like 7-8 hours of sleep in a 12 hour period.

Of course, tonight I'm posting this and he's been screaming and awake every half hour. Hold him & rock him asleep for like 15-20 mins, put him back down in crib, screaming 20-30 minutes later. This is going to be a fun night, I can tell...
 

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If you have a hungry kid, that first year is hell there is no doubt. I feel your pain. Thankfully mine wasn't a screamer, he was just... awake... ALOT. I got to the point where I could recite Roseanne and Prince of Bel Air by heart as that was the only thing on but infomercials at the time. It does level out eventually though, I promise.
 

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What have you guys done in the past if you've had a constipated baby? Ours pees non-stop but only has one massive poop every 36 hours or so. Sometimes its goes to 48+, at which point our doctor said it's fine to use half of a glycerine suppository. We've only had to do that twice so far. Our doctor said this isn't a problem as long as she is generally a happy baby, which seems to be the go to reasoning for anything we suspect might be wrong but she's otherwise acting fine.

He said yesterday at our 1 month appointment that the bowel movements should start getting more regular around 2 months but in the meantime, anyone have any suggestions? Gas is not so much a problem except for the smell... she is farting all the time and it's like a pig farm.
 

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Tangent to the sports and kids thing: am I wrong if I plan on not letting my son play football even if he wants to? The things I've read about concussions and brain damage, even from repeated minor hits and tackles, and how the sport is basically doing nothing about it, makes me want to keep my kid far far away from it.
 

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What have you guys done in the past if you've had a constipated baby? Ours pees non-stop but only has one massive poop every 36 hours or so. Sometimes its goes to 48+, at which point our doctor said it's fine to use half of a glycerine suppository. We've only had to do that twice so far. Our doctor said this isn't a problem as long as she is generally a happy baby, which seems to be the go to reasoning for anything we suspect might be wrong but she's otherwise acting fine.

He said yesterday at our 1 month appointment that the bowel movements should start getting more regular around 2 months but in the meantime, anyone have any suggestions? Gas is not so much a problem except for the smell... she is farting all the time and it's like a pig farm.
While our kid hasn't had problems pooping yet, we've had multiple doctors tell us that there is absolutely nothing wrong if they go as little as only once or twice a week. As long as fluids are passing through them and they are urinating plenty, then they can go several days without a bowel movement and be fine. If you think about it, it kind of makes sense, babies are doing nothing but ingesting fluids.
 

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Tangent to the sports and kids thing: am I wrong if I plan on not letting my son play football even if he wants to? The things I've read about concussions and brain damage, even from repeated minor hits and tackles, and how the sport is basically doing nothing about it, makes me want to keep my kid far far away from it.
I'll definitely be steering my kid towards baseball or basketball if he likes sports. The scary part about football is that at the highest levels(college and pro) they have lots of doctors constantly around a team, but at the lower levels like peewee and jr high/highschool levels, concussions can easily go undiagnosed and untreated since you generally don't have a team of doctors on the sidelines, you're dependent on some schmo football coach who has little to no medical training on making that call on whether a kid has a concussion or not. Not a good situation.