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I've got a good honest 50/50 chance of making it to the other side on a budget versus it all collapsing in on itself.
Which is pretty good!
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I've got a good honest 50/50 chance of making it to the other side on a budget versus it all collapsing in on itself.
Which is pretty good!
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Most definitely. I'd say my success rate is much lower than that. But, I'm also a picky bastard and will veto builds subjectively instead of the game doing it objectively.
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I'm sure my selection process (being a huge bitch) helps.
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Xevy
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This is what deterministic crafters want to take from you. They hate your happiness. They don't want you to have dopamine. Ask them, "Why do you hate me, Last Epoch Fanbois?"
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I think a simple " buy now " button from the poe2trade site that sent an item straight to your inventory would suffice.
I dont feel like a full fledged auction house would be required, just something that let people have a "buy it now" function and remove any need for player input on the trade.
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They're going to do something semi-goofy like sell you a henchman that you put in your hideout and then sell henchman tabs that hold items and require people to go to your hideout and interact with it to make purchases. Whatever they go with is going to be quirky in it's implementation with some limitations designed to address problems that don't exist. People will scratch their heads at it.
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Xevy
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They have to find a way to create enough control that chinabots don't buy every pocelkin or whatever the fuck for 1 divine and relist them for 5 divines every time some streamer posts a build. Same goes with even 1 alch shit like Shield of The Phoenix when some low life tech comes out and suddenly some dude named 1381841834810000 has every single one listed for 50 exalt 10 minutes ago. I'm sure there's a solution, but with the quick implementation of insta-item grabs you people are talking about, that's 100% what you would get right now.
A vendor holding your shit with premium tabs with hideout access granted by the owner on sale agreement would help 50% of the issues on the selling end, but you'd still have the 75% of the people who list shit and never sell it because they're lazy/price fixing/blind or whatever is going on.
If you don't think these economy whores wouldn't be CONSTANTLY fucking you on a mass scale if there wasn't the very, very slight friction of TFT to already do that, then I don't think you've got enough PoE hours yet. There are entire groups of people who live to do nothing but make currency. They don't even play the game after they've got their operation going. Don't even necessarily RMT. Just print money on mirror service and master crafts and weird shit and just pile it up. Meanwhile they vacuum up all the necessary bases and crafting components (which don't really exist outside of omen/greater essences right now) which fucks the mid level players.
A vendor holding your shit with premium tabs with hideout access granted by the owner on sale agreement would help 50% of the issues on the selling end, but you'd still have the 75% of the people who list shit and never sell it because they're lazy/price fixing/blind or whatever is going on.
If you don't think these economy whores wouldn't be CONSTANTLY fucking you on a mass scale if there wasn't the very, very slight friction of TFT to already do that, then I don't think you've got enough PoE hours yet. There are entire groups of people who live to do nothing but make currency. They don't even play the game after they've got their operation going. Don't even necessarily RMT. Just print money on mirror service and master crafts and weird shit and just pile it up. Meanwhile they vacuum up all the necessary bases and crafting components (which don't really exist outside of omen/greater essences right now) which fucks the mid level players.
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Burnem Wizfyre
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EOD on YouTube, dude brags about how shit his gear is and just farms currency to what end I’m unsure, his videos are educational and have helped me with crafting but what’s the point of making all these mirror items when you wear 0.
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True but it was narrow in implementation seeking to address specific problems related to liquidity, crafting and mapping. It's also a little quirky having been introduced as a piece of league content that was not guaranteed to go core. It was even advertised as such. Hey, we're experimenting with something, we'll see how it goes. The introduction of gold gave them an extra dial to work with helping ensure that the name of the game wasn't to just play the market versus playing the game. This is all stuff they talked about openly. They were deliberate in the tools they gave us.
I continue to maintain that if you allow the big fish a mechanism through which they can apply their wealth to the market with little or no friction that it's going to be a sea of manipulation and price fixing. One of the major noob safety valves (getting spammed with messages) is lost. You turn a bunch of your players in to plump pigeons and you're going to lose them when they feel ripped off. I don't see anything in the loot system of Path of Exile 2 that differentiates itself in a way from Path of Exile 1 to any degree that it would matter.
My views aside we're still in open access and I have zero objections to them trying something or anything in regards to a trading house, bazaar, auctioneer, etc. Here, every premium tab you can choose to toggle it as instant sale or keep snail sales. Instant sales have a scaling gold cost that takes in to account rarity and item level but also number and type of transactions completed in the last X minutes. You get the bright idea to corner the market trying to by X copies of the same Y unique the gold costs could just scale to the moon to keep everyone honest.
A game where someone can do the equivalent of buying every copy of Forbidden Flame/Forbidden Flesh for Forbidden Power to then release content about an amazing build they have that just happens to use those jewels they bought all of in 0.5 seconds is one I'm going to be considerably less excited to ever play. Mathil buying one perfect rolled Binos last league for Mamba Viper Strike radically altered the price of that item no matter what it rolled. Why not just buy a dozen for nothing before I start streaming this character? He wouldn't but other people would. Even that is kind of besides the point. Path of Exile 1 has a great deal of items that are very rare but also inexpensive due to lack of demand. Prices can swingly wildly during a league and between leagues. Instant purchases are going erase that entire category as speculators jack all that shit. I want those heathens chasing big shit making big fucking items with their dragon hordes of wealth. I absolutely do not want the thousands of temporarily embarrassed pro players to then try and emulate that behavior and get in on the action. Which they will because dumb money is dumb.
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Come on, that is like the worst possible solution to that problem, it guarantees wasting multiple people's time pointlessly. Every one of those people that is part of that 'spam' who isn't an RMT bot is sitting there thinking 'what is this useless garbage tier bullshit'
It's not even an issue in any even half-way decent auction system - either you have historical sales data, or actual auctions instead of instant buyout, or both.
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Yeah, the people running active searches to spot fuckups as fast as possible and send messages to buy the nanosecond their parameters have a ping just no idea why someone might not replay. What is this useless garbage!
If we're running auctions we don't have immediate buys. You go to buy something at there's three days left on the auction. Is that what anyone wants? One day auctions? Twelve hours? If people are setting up buyouts than the same people will fuck those up the way they fuck up now except they won't get the immediate feedback they fucked up. Historical sales data would be interesting but getting features in game is rare. Integrated Awakened PoE trade would be nice along with Path of Building and many other features left to third parties.
They've stated that players aren't going to put up with a new game launching with PoE1 quality trade so we're getting something. I'm interested in seeing what that is. I think the entire loot system should have been overhauled to plan for such a thing but that did occur thus my objections to adding an AH to PoE1 are carrying right over to PoE2. If it all goes great that'll be great. I've been dead wrong about huge shit before.
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I can't believe people are arguing about "how to implement an AH in a multiplayer live service game" as if it hasnt already been done and solved for like 20 years.
I don't know, maybe some of you guys never played the dozens of games that had functional, good auction houses.
I don't know, maybe some of you guys never played the dozens of games that had functional, good auction houses.
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Burnem Wizfyre
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On one side you have people like you who I side with, then you have those who thinks everyone’s experience should absolutely suck because something bad could happen and then you have situations like in California where people have to wait in 6 hour lines to get a pass to visit their house, for their safety.
Burnem Wizfyre
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Californian politicians, they are the ones arguing against tried and tested AH systems in past games to protect people for their safety.
How the fuck does trading work. I'm on console and I set up an account this morning and sent out about 50 whispers. Two people responded. The one guy who agreed to a trade instantly ignored me when I tried to group him.
Am I missing something here?
Am I missing something here?
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Burnem Wizfyre
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Nope you didn’t miss a thing, that’s how it works. That’s how some people believe it should work because people could corner the market if instant sales were allowed, instead you should have to shotgun offers to buy shit and pray the person who threw the item in a dump tab wants your currency.