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Path of Exile 2
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
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Tranny Chaser
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From a build creation standpoint, it's sometimes interesting to make a build that hard or soft caps on a stat. I think some of that flavor would be lost if damage calculations were normalized to the point that the game's tooltip was accurate. For example, a viper strike of the mamba build always picks up that 300% increased damage mastery. Then picks up 3 more via cluster jewels. Then 3 more via more cluster jewels. The mastery is obvious, especially since the opportunity cost is low. The first set of cluster jewels is probably straight forward too. But after 1200% increased damage, adding another 900% is still the clear choice. Partly because it's still 300% per notable but also because poison is so starved for additive damage increases.
Putting your build in PoB and figuring that out is some of most fun parts of these types of games to me.
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Penance
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I think it's fine now. The additional layers and vectors allows for more diversity. Where they can shore it up is explaining it better and fleshing out damage calculations in game so you don't have to watch an hour long video to see how damage is calculated.
Normalization I don't think is the direction to take. In my mind that constricts diversity. I know it's super apples to orange here but my mind wanders to wow combat and what they've done there.
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Mr. Poopybutthole
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Wow you just summed up my first league. The day I discovered character bricking. I then quit until the next league because fuck that.
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Games that do that tend to run into another issue of "diminishing returns" where instead of stacking one stat, you need an even spread of all the damage stats, and you still end up having to math out if 20% increased damage is better or worse than 20% fire damage(usually they're in different pools, if they're in the same then it's fine), or better than 20% crit damage assuming 100% crit rate(and if you can't cap crit rate you'd have to do the additional step of figuring out how much that 20%crit dmg actually gives with your crit, and also if it's worth it over another crit roll instead).
Regardless of how you do it, you're going to have to do comparisons between numbers that look the same but aren't.
A bunch of more modifiers are going away with the supports being reworked into less "just dmg" and more actually changing things though. From what I understand they won't have every skill supported by like 4 multiplicative support and one utility/qol support like in poe1.
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Tranny Chaser
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I had the same thought but I haven't kept up. Have they explained what happens if you brick everything?
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I thought it would be like that for me too, luckily for us GGG realize some people sucks and it just resets the Atlas. :
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I thought he said you can pretty much reroll the whole map, or something like that.
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Penance
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It's not so simple. Take 100% increased, with 30% more, then you get a node that says 10% increased to damage targets afflicted by your marks. Ok so that's 110% increased, but it's actually another more.
That's where they need to shore it up. If that's what you mean, where they lay out where the damage calculations are pooling and where they fit in, then I agree.
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Had a friend complain about this last night funny enough, said he played PoE before but he got to the point where just everything was one-shotting him and it wasn't fun, and was the reason he might not try 2.
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Yeah this game was/is pretty brutal to new players. Hopefully they shored that shit up in 2. And I think they kinda did with the way they present the skill gems and supports to you. Defense was always tricky in POE1 with armor/evasion...of course the resistances, then you had the spell block or whatever the fuck.... And you had to layer that shit so you couldnt just survive on just one.
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Tranny Chaser
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And then the in-game tool tip is just no help at all impeding your ability to learn within the game. Look at number, put point in to mark mastery, number stays the same, thanks bro.
I'm also one of those fucks who wants a death recap. Exploding and not knowing why sucks. Was I super one-shot or just barely one-shot? Was it really one hit or was it a bunch of shit happening that I didn't all pick up on? Did I fuck myself with the map mods (yes)?
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I think he is saying everything should be a "more" multiplier.
To what he's saying, you'd have to get rid of additive damage, and make every node independent and a "more".
which would mean all the 10% increased damage nodes would have to get nerfed down to like .5 or 1% "more" nodes.
Which frankly would be very boring. yes, balancing out all the different kinds of stacking is what makes the game deep.