Path of Exile

Deathwing said:

You're probably right.

The cynic in me was thinking they take the shiny away so you go back to playtesting towers and map checkpoints.

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This was my concern as well, but I hope it's what he said lol.

What are these assholes doing to the Atlas? Don't they know nobody likes managing their fucking inventory?

Penance said:

What are these assholes doing to the Atlas? Don't they know nobody likes managing their fucking inventory?

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It's alright I got you



in that I've got you playing inventory management games for the duration of the league.

On the plus side



Full details this week is better than getting trickled reveals.

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I really hate this atlas change. Why? There was no need for it. You already had a near perfect system for the Atlas. It was widely regarded as the best system in the game. You could've just let people respec freely. Also how rare are some of these going to be? This shit really rubs me the wrong way.

Penance said:

I really hate this atlas change. Why? There was no need for it. You already had a near perfect system for the Atlas. It was widely regarded as the best system in the game. You could've just let people respec freely. Also how rare are some of these going to be? This shit really rubs me the wrong way.

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You'll beta test for PoE2 and you'll like it. The scare word in all of this is



Deterministic. GGG uses deterministic as a synonym for bad or "thing we don't want." It describes a process by which you can gurantee the outcome you want in a system that should be or was intended to be random. Using it to describe the Atlas at all is inappropriate. The elimination of randomness in a system that is purposefully random is not the same thing as a system that always had clear non-random progression. Clear a map, get a point, put a point in the tree. Would you describe the passive tree as deterministic? You just put points in exactly where you want to go! Maybe you shouldn't be able to deterministically start the game whenever you wanted and deterministically select the character class you want to make or even the character you want to play at character select to then deterministically play for the amount of time you want.

So I normally start with lots of points in Expedition, some points in Harvest and some points in the different map sustain nodes. It's not as big a deal now that we have three different Atlas trees to work with but in general I've regretted trying other starts. What if you just...couldn't do what you wanted? Wouldn't that be exciting? What if you had to really earn the ability to interact with the different league mechanics the way you wanted to?

And then think if you got to do that every single league. Imagine how exciting that would be.

I usually like doing harvest and essence in the beginning. I guess I can go fuck myself now.

Deathwing said:

They tried a nondeterministic passive tree. Remember that krangled passive tree event? I remember it being well liked by masochists but overall low participation and duration.

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I gave it an honest try. After node placement had been figured out I picked what I thought was a pretty good minion based character based on a big patch of minion nodes between Ranger and Duelist along with some synergy with one of their ascendancies. It was a fucking nightmare. It felt more like I was getting a quarter of the regular points rather than everything being lol so random. Random just meant most points didn't do anything for you. Even getting enough starts to wear gear and use skills was annoying.

The no QoL is going to really grind on people with the manual sorting and placing of these relics.

It's like they forgot how and why PoE1 has slowly, iteratively ended up in its current state.

People want and like deterministic stuff. RNG is fine as long as it isn't layer upon layer upon layer and you have absolutely no control over what your play sessions yield.

They already learned these lessons. They already acquiesced over time to implement all the deterministic and QoL features PoE1 now has. And people mostly, vastly prefer it.

I have a feeling Jonathon and/or Mark think players actually, really prefer endless RNG with no control and are forcing it down our throats hoping players will wake up and say "Oh hey ya know what?! This is way better! GGG is brilliant!"

I'm gonna play nostradamus here for a sec, and say everyone will hate this shit because the good atlas relics, like the unique harvest one, will be rare as fuck and priced based on their profitability. Like 100divs kind of priced. Everyone will bitch that they arent dropping enough and that getting the uber combination of nodes on a rare relic is prohibitively expensive and the system is trash because we used to actually have access to those nodes and now they are super gatekept. Main page will be flooded with posts similar to "I can't even do the content i enjoy because the relic won't drop! HCSSF btw"

If you're able to trade a thing than the good ones are going to be rare as fuck. Depending on the exact league and implementation that can be a pain in the dick or a nice source of income. Affliction charms and tinctures I thought were on the good side of things while Kalguur runes and TotA tattoos were on the bad side.

I'm concerned that basic atlas progression, map sustain and character progression are all going to be a fucking nightmare as you struggle to get a functional set of relics going. Honestly it comes across as some kind of alternate Ruthless mechanic where instead of nerfing all of the nodes on the tree we just made you ever getting them completely RNG. Whatever comes your way you have to treat as precious because you can't just do what you want when you want it.

I just know from experience I'm not an event enjoyer so even though new ascendancies are interesting i wasn't planning on playing this but the atlas idols pretty much confirmed i won't.
I'll just wait for the reddit drama from whatever broken strat gets discovered.

I'm willing to take a character to maps but if just filling out completion is a fuck and a half I'll bail on the spot.

Yup. Like taking Kirac nodes so you can fill your atlas faster/easier? Fuck you. Like running 3 different strats with the click of the button? Fuck you. Now you can play POE the roguelite except each run is a month and if you get bad RNG in the beginning good luck making currency.

These people have lost the plot and they can't even leave poe1 alone.

Thregin said:

I just know from experience I'm not an event enjoyer so even though new ascendancies are interesting i wasn't planning on playing this but the atlas idols pretty much confirmed i won't.
I'll just wait for the reddit drama from whatever broken strat gets discovered.

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I feel the same.....was looking forward to it but the no atlas combined with only one-month is a no go for me......though I do think they will end up extending it since they have no clue what to do with POE2.

These all look cracked

So this is throw away idea league. That makes me feel better and if you can really get 3x the power of atlas at end game with idols... with some of these ascendancies that look pretty crazy should make for a fun event.

Man that marauder ascendancy is a giga brain gamer or nothing ascendancy. I already see infinite duration with strength stacking, but fuck I also see 99% of players just using literally any other ascendancy that is easy and fun at that point.

Surf Ninja looks fucking smooth.