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Yeah idk. It would be nice if the world started being more genuine. Being my "real" self unambiguously, all the time, is my effort to "be the change you want to see in the world"
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Yeah idk. It would be nice if the world started being more genuine. Being my "real" self unambiguously, all the time, is my effort to "be the change you want to see in the world"
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Sucks though, if your real self is annoying. You might be a decent dude irl, but you are annoying as fuck on the forum.Yeah idk. It would be nice if the world started being more genuine. Being my "real" self unambiguously, all the time, is my effort to "be the change you want to see in the world"
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pharmakos
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peace be with you tho
pharmakos
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Also I genuinely think that the average forum posted like you,
Ridas
, pays more attention to the jokes made about me than you do to what I actually say.
For instance... Do you think I'm a druggie? Because I am not. That's just people making bad assumptions based on my screen name.
"Pharmakos" is Greek for "scapegoat." A ritual performed to cleanse a city in ancient times, either exiling or killing the pharmakos. Often the one cast out wasn't actually toxic tho. Many pharmakoi merely had birth defects that made people uncomfortable.. Public opinion isn't always correct. Aesop was a Pharmakos. Some scholars even see crucifixion, and therefore Jesus Christ as a pharmakos.
Ridas
, pays more attention to the jokes made about me than you do to what I actually say.For instance... Do you think I'm a druggie? Because I am not. That's just people making bad assumptions based on my screen name.
"Pharmakos" is Greek for "scapegoat." A ritual performed to cleanse a city in ancient times, either exiling or killing the pharmakos. Often the one cast out wasn't actually toxic tho. Many pharmakoi merely had birth defects that made people uncomfortable.. Public opinion isn't always correct. Aesop was a Pharmakos. Some scholars even see crucifixion, and therefore Jesus Christ as a pharmakos.
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Ridas
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That is why you are annoying. No one gives a fuck.Also I genuinely think that the average forum posted like you,
For instance... Do you think I'm a druggie? Because I am not. That's just people making bad assumptions based on my screen name.
"Pharmakos" is Greek for "scapegoat." A ritual performed to cleanse a city in ancient times, either exiling or killing the pharmakos. Often the one cast out wasn't actually toxic tho. Many pharmakoi merely had birth defects that made people uncomfortable.. Public opinion isn't always correct. Aesop was a Pharmakos. Some scholars even see crucifixion, and therefore Jesus Christ as a pharmakos.
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DickTrickle
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I think you might have a martyr complex like your boy Jesus.Also I genuinely think that the average forum posted like you,
For instance... Do you think I'm a druggie? Because I am not. That's just people making bad assumptions based on my screen name.
"Pharmakos" is Greek for "scapegoat." A ritual performed to cleanse a city in ancient times, either exiling or killing the pharmakos. Often the one cast out wasn't actually toxic tho. Many pharmakoi merely had birth defects that made people uncomfortable.. Public opinion isn't always correct. Aesop was a Pharmakos. Some scholars even see crucifixion, and therefore Jesus Christ as a pharmakos.
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“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to them.
“Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you and say all kinds of evil things about you falsely on account of me. Rejoice and be glad, because your reward is great in heaven, for they persecuted the prophets before you in the same way."
DickTrickle
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So you think you're being persecuted for righteousness? Or on account of being Christian?
Might add delusions of grandeur to the list of diagnoses.
This is a message board, sir.
Might add delusions of grandeur to the list of diagnoses.
This is a message board, sir.
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pharmakos
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Lol forgot about this post. I was indeed on chemotherapy or other treatments from January 2016 to April 2020. Was started on palliative care and pulled out by a miracle after I did enough of my own research to prove that the ketogenic diet would starve a seminoma, since seminomas almost exclusively feed on glycogen.
Also, fuck this place for having people like fris that would accuse me of lying.
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Pharmakos, in Greek religion, a human scapegoat used in certain state rituals. In Athens, for example, a man and a woman who were considered ugly were selected as scapegoats each year. At the festival of the Thargelia in May or June, they were feasted, led round the town, beaten with green twigs, and driven out or killed with stones. The practice in Colophon, on the coast of Asia Minor (the part of modern Turkey that lies in Asia) was described by the 6th-century-bc poet Hipponax (fragments 5-11). An especially ugly man was honoured by the community with a feast of figs, barley soup, and cheese. Then he was whipped with fig branches, with care that he was hit seven times on his phallus, before being driven out of town. (Medieval sources said that the Colophonian pharmakos was burned and his ashes scattered in the sea.) The custom was meant to rid the place annually of ill luck.
The 5th-century Athenian practice of ostracism has been described as a rationalized and democratic form of the custom. The biblical practice of driving the scapegoat from the community, described in Leviticus 16, gave a name to this widespread custom, which was said by the French intellectual Ren? Girard to explain the basis of all human societies.
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A pharmak?s (Greek: ????????, plural pharmakoi) in Ancient Greek religion was the ritualistic sacrifice or exile of a human scapegoat or victim.
A slave, a cripple or a criminal was chosen and expelled from the community at times of disaster (famine, invasion or plague) or at times of calendrical crisis. It was believed that this would bring about purification. On the first day of the Thargelia, a festival of Apollo at Athens, two men, the Pharmakoi, were led out as if to be sacrificed as an expiation.
Some scholia state that pharmakoi were actually sacrificed (thrown from a cliff or burned), but many modern scholars reject this, arguing that the earliest source for the pharmakos (the iambic satirist Hipponax) shows the pharmakoi being beaten and stoned, but not executed. A more plausible explanation would be that sometimes they were executed and sometimes not, depending on the attitude of the victim. For instance, a deliberate unrepentant murderer would most likely be put to death.[citation needed]
In Aesop in Delphi (1961), Anton Wiechers discussed the parallels between the legendary biography of Aesop (in which he is unjustly tried and executed by the Delphians) and the pharmakos ritual. For example, Aesop is grotesquely deformed, as was the pharmakoi in some traditions; and Aesop was thrown from a cliff, as was the pharmakoi in some traditions.
Gregory Nagy, in Best of the Achaeans (1979), compared Aesop's pharmakos death to the "worst" of the Achaeans in the Iliad, Thersites. More recently, both Daniel Ogden, The Crooked Kings of Ancient Greece (1997) and Todd Compton, Victim of the Muses: Poet as Scapegoat, Warrior and Hero (2006) examine poet pharmakoi. Compton surveys important poets who were exiled, executed or suffered unjust trials, either in history, legend or Greek or Indo-European myth.
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[1] The chain, pharmakeia-pharmakon-pharmakeus, appears several times in Plato's texts. A word not directly or literally used by Plato is pharmakos, which means 'scapegoat'. According to Derrida, that it is not used by Plato does not indicate that the word is necessarily absent. Certain forces of association unite the words that are 'actually present' in a text with all the other words in the lexical system, whether or not they appear as words in such discourse. The textual chain is not simply 'internal' to Plato's lexicon. One can say that all the 'pharmaceutical' words do actually make themselves present in the text. 'It is in the back room, in the shadows of the pharmacy, prior to the oppositions between conscious and unconscious, freedom and constraint, voluntary and involuntary, speech and language, that these textual 'operations' occur' (Dissemination, p.129). Derrida places the opposites, presence-absence and inside-outside, under great pressure. If the word pharmakos that Plato does not use still resonates within the text, then there can be no matter of a text being closed upon itself. What do 'absent' and 'present' mean when the outside is always already part of the inside, at work on the inside?
[2] In ancient Athens, the character and the ritual of the pharmakos had the task of expelling and shutting out the evil (out of the body and out of the city). The Athenians maintained several outcasts at the public expense. When plague, famine, drought or other calamities befell the city, they sacrificed some of the outcasts as a purification and a remedy. The pharmakos, the scapegoat, was led to the outside of the city and killed in order to purify the city's interior. The evil that had affected the inside of the city from the outside, was thus returned to the outside in order to protect the inside. But the representative of the outside (the pharmakos) was nonetheless kept in the very heart of the inside, the city. In order to be led out of the city, the scapegoat must have already been within the city. 'The ceremony of the pharmakos is thus played out on the boundary line between the inside and the outside, which it has as its function ceaselessly to trace and retrace' (Dissemination, p.133). At the same time, the pharmakos is on the borderl between sacred and cursed, '... beneficial insofar as he cures - and for that, venerated and cared for - harmful insofar as he incarnates the powers of evil - and for that, feared and treated with caution' (Dissemination, p.133). He is the benefactor who heals and he is the criminal who incarnates the powers of evil. The pharmakos is like a medicine in that he 'cures' the impurity of the city, but he is, at the same time, a poison, an evil. Pharmakos. Pharmakon. Undecidables. Both words carry within themselves more than one meaning. Conflicting meanings.
[3] Pharmakos does not only mean scapegoat. It is also synonymous for pharmakeus, or wizard, magician, poisoner. In Plato's dialogues, Socrates is often portrayed as a pharmakeus. Socrates is considered as one who knows how to perform magic with words. His words act as a pharmakon (as a remedy, or as a poison?) and permeate the soul of the listener. In Phaedrus, he fiercely objects to the ill effects of writing. He compares writing to a pharmakon, a drug, a poison: writing repeats without knowing. Socrates suggests a different pharmakon, a medicine: dialectics, the philosophical dialogue. This, he claims, can lead one to true knowledge, the truth of the eidos, that which is identical to itself, always the same as itself, invariable. This is the message of Socrates to the city of Athens. He acts as a magician (pharmakos) - Socrates himself speaks about a divine or supernatural voice that comes to him - and his most famous medicine (pharmakon) is speech, dialectics and dialogue that will lead to knowledge and truth.
But Socrates also becomes Athen's most famous 'other' pharmakos, the scapegoat. He becomes a stranger, even an enemy who does not speak the proper language of the other citizens. He is an other; not the absolute other, the barbarian, but the other (the outside) who is very near, who is already on the inside. According to several prominent Athenians, he was of bad moral and political influence. His constant criticism undermined the faith in democracy of many Athenians. In 399 BC, Socrates was charged with introducing new gods and corrupting the young and sentenced to death. Having accused him as a force of evil, Athens killed him to keep itself intact. Athens kills the pharmakos (both the magician and the scapegoat).
The 5th-century Athenian practice of ostracism has been described as a rationalized and democratic form of the custom. The biblical practice of driving the scapegoat from the community, described in Leviticus 16, gave a name to this widespread custom, which was said by the French intellectual Ren? Girard to explain the basis of all human societies.
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A pharmak?s (Greek: ????????, plural pharmakoi) in Ancient Greek religion was the ritualistic sacrifice or exile of a human scapegoat or victim.
A slave, a cripple or a criminal was chosen and expelled from the community at times of disaster (famine, invasion or plague) or at times of calendrical crisis. It was believed that this would bring about purification. On the first day of the Thargelia, a festival of Apollo at Athens, two men, the Pharmakoi, were led out as if to be sacrificed as an expiation.
Some scholia state that pharmakoi were actually sacrificed (thrown from a cliff or burned), but many modern scholars reject this, arguing that the earliest source for the pharmakos (the iambic satirist Hipponax) shows the pharmakoi being beaten and stoned, but not executed. A more plausible explanation would be that sometimes they were executed and sometimes not, depending on the attitude of the victim. For instance, a deliberate unrepentant murderer would most likely be put to death.[citation needed]
In Aesop in Delphi (1961), Anton Wiechers discussed the parallels between the legendary biography of Aesop (in which he is unjustly tried and executed by the Delphians) and the pharmakos ritual. For example, Aesop is grotesquely deformed, as was the pharmakoi in some traditions; and Aesop was thrown from a cliff, as was the pharmakoi in some traditions.
Gregory Nagy, in Best of the Achaeans (1979), compared Aesop's pharmakos death to the "worst" of the Achaeans in the Iliad, Thersites. More recently, both Daniel Ogden, The Crooked Kings of Ancient Greece (1997) and Todd Compton, Victim of the Muses: Poet as Scapegoat, Warrior and Hero (2006) examine poet pharmakoi. Compton surveys important poets who were exiled, executed or suffered unjust trials, either in history, legend or Greek or Indo-European myth.
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[1] The chain, pharmakeia-pharmakon-pharmakeus, appears several times in Plato's texts. A word not directly or literally used by Plato is pharmakos, which means 'scapegoat'. According to Derrida, that it is not used by Plato does not indicate that the word is necessarily absent. Certain forces of association unite the words that are 'actually present' in a text with all the other words in the lexical system, whether or not they appear as words in such discourse. The textual chain is not simply 'internal' to Plato's lexicon. One can say that all the 'pharmaceutical' words do actually make themselves present in the text. 'It is in the back room, in the shadows of the pharmacy, prior to the oppositions between conscious and unconscious, freedom and constraint, voluntary and involuntary, speech and language, that these textual 'operations' occur' (Dissemination, p.129). Derrida places the opposites, presence-absence and inside-outside, under great pressure. If the word pharmakos that Plato does not use still resonates within the text, then there can be no matter of a text being closed upon itself. What do 'absent' and 'present' mean when the outside is always already part of the inside, at work on the inside?
[2] In ancient Athens, the character and the ritual of the pharmakos had the task of expelling and shutting out the evil (out of the body and out of the city). The Athenians maintained several outcasts at the public expense. When plague, famine, drought or other calamities befell the city, they sacrificed some of the outcasts as a purification and a remedy. The pharmakos, the scapegoat, was led to the outside of the city and killed in order to purify the city's interior. The evil that had affected the inside of the city from the outside, was thus returned to the outside in order to protect the inside. But the representative of the outside (the pharmakos) was nonetheless kept in the very heart of the inside, the city. In order to be led out of the city, the scapegoat must have already been within the city. 'The ceremony of the pharmakos is thus played out on the boundary line between the inside and the outside, which it has as its function ceaselessly to trace and retrace' (Dissemination, p.133). At the same time, the pharmakos is on the borderl between sacred and cursed, '... beneficial insofar as he cures - and for that, venerated and cared for - harmful insofar as he incarnates the powers of evil - and for that, feared and treated with caution' (Dissemination, p.133). He is the benefactor who heals and he is the criminal who incarnates the powers of evil. The pharmakos is like a medicine in that he 'cures' the impurity of the city, but he is, at the same time, a poison, an evil. Pharmakos. Pharmakon. Undecidables. Both words carry within themselves more than one meaning. Conflicting meanings.
[3] Pharmakos does not only mean scapegoat. It is also synonymous for pharmakeus, or wizard, magician, poisoner. In Plato's dialogues, Socrates is often portrayed as a pharmakeus. Socrates is considered as one who knows how to perform magic with words. His words act as a pharmakon (as a remedy, or as a poison?) and permeate the soul of the listener. In Phaedrus, he fiercely objects to the ill effects of writing. He compares writing to a pharmakon, a drug, a poison: writing repeats without knowing. Socrates suggests a different pharmakon, a medicine: dialectics, the philosophical dialogue. This, he claims, can lead one to true knowledge, the truth of the eidos, that which is identical to itself, always the same as itself, invariable. This is the message of Socrates to the city of Athens. He acts as a magician (pharmakos) - Socrates himself speaks about a divine or supernatural voice that comes to him - and his most famous medicine (pharmakon) is speech, dialectics and dialogue that will lead to knowledge and truth.
But Socrates also becomes Athen's most famous 'other' pharmakos, the scapegoat. He becomes a stranger, even an enemy who does not speak the proper language of the other citizens. He is an other; not the absolute other, the barbarian, but the other (the outside) who is very near, who is already on the inside. According to several prominent Athenians, he was of bad moral and political influence. His constant criticism undermined the faith in democracy of many Athenians. In 399 BC, Socrates was charged with introducing new gods and corrupting the young and sentenced to death. Having accused him as a force of evil, Athens killed him to keep itself intact. Athens kills the pharmakos (both the magician and the scapegoat).
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Erronius: "I've seen enough of you pharmakos"
Also Erronius: *follows pharmakos to the pharmakos thread*
The world needs scapegoats I suppose...
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I saw an alert, wondered if you had either been Rickshawed or came here on your own, only to see you digging up someone else's old post and replying to it.
You're such a weird dude.
I hope you get better.
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After the nonsense in the Ukraine thread where
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told
Araysar
and myself to stop going back and forth, I remembered that we already had a thread for people to have pissing contests with me, so that other threads don't get derailed. I bumped it for visibility/reminder. I suppose you'd prefer I just go away, but you know where the block button is if you even get annoyed by my attempts to lessen my negative impact on this place.
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So you bumped it and now you're surprised someone posted?
What did you expect, exactly?
And I don't get why you'd want me to put you on ignore. I just didn't want umpteen pages of you and
Araysar
going back and forth in a meaningless tit for tat. I just wanted the retarded cripple slapfighting to stop.
What did you expect, exactly?
And I don't get why you'd want me to put you on ignore. I just didn't want umpteen pages of you and
Araysar
going back and forth in a meaningless tit for tat. I just wanted the retarded cripple slapfighting to stop.
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Who said I was complaining about you being here? Just highlighting the absurditySo you bumped it and now you're surprised someone posted?
What did you expect, exactly?
And I don't get why you'd want me to put you on ignore. I just didn't want umpteen pages of you and