Pit bulls - The Breed of Peace

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Frenzied Wombat

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Crate training is actually suggested by most vets now.
Crate training is the best thing I ever did to my dog. If you start as a puppy it becomes their home and they actually enjoy being in their crate. My dog willingly sleeps in his and hoards all his toys and stolen items in his crate.

BTW, here's my Master Race Bulldog. Guy is a superstar. Go bulldog or go home.

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hodj

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I dunno.

But dogs are creatures who live in holes and small burrows and whatnot in the wild. Crate training is actually preferred for them. They treat them like their homes. Once you get one accustomed to the crate, they lay it in most of the day, whether the door is closed or not.

It also teaches them discipline. The only no no is not to lock them up as punishment.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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Fat and stupid isn't for everyone.
He's not fat, he's beefy, and he isn't stupid, he just doesn't give a shit about what you want unless their is a bribe (food) involved. He laughs at those unquestioning Labs that do everything their owners ask of them.
 

hodj

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Crate is a happier word.
Most of them tend to be large plastic sort of dog houses with a cage door on the front, though there are certainly cage models as well.

I prefer the plastic crate boxes, though, they're more enclosed and give them a more burrow like feel.
 

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What do you think of Basenjis? Friend of mine breeds them and could be had at a discount.
Man, this turned into a novel.

I owned one, he was pretty awesome. It was already mentioned that they don't bark, they yodel, but honestly they don't yodel unless they're distressed. I never could get mine to yodel on command. When they do start yodeling though, holy shit it sounds like they're being molested or something. Especially if you try to crate train them as puppies.

They're small dogs and will easily live 20 something years. I've heard they are the original terrier, that pretty much any other breed that's a terrier came from this breed. I'd never heard they were bred to hunt lions, I heard they were basically one step away from wild dogs.

They often get listed low on the breed intelligence charts, but that's not because they're dumb, it's because they're hard headed. You don't really train a basenji, you have to convince them that they want to do what you want them to do. Traditional carrot and stick approaches don't work (at least the stick part doesn't). For instance, I used to let my dogs out to take a lap around the property when I got home. In the winter sometimes it would be dark when I got home, so I wouldn't let them out. The basenji started shitting in the house at night. I punished him for it, but figured it was because he liked to shit out in the neighborhood, didn't wanna shit in the yard, and couldn't hold it all night. He was actually pretty good about not shitting all over the yard, that's another rep basenji's have. He kept it up, and I starting making him stay out all night. So he'd wait till I let him in in the morning to feed him, and go shit in the house while I was showering. He only did this on days when I got home too late to let them out. The fucker was shitting in the house to punish me for not letting him out. Tell me that's not a smart dog. And he would stand by the shit all defiant too, not slink away like the other dog when I got upset.

They are escape artists. I read from one owner that a chain link fence is nothing more than a ladder to freedom for a basenji. After my shepherd died, mine turned into a real escape artist. As long as she was alive, he only got out when there was a hole big enough for both of them to fit. My yard was fenced with range fencing. If you don't know what that is, think of chicken wire, but it's a lot thicker wire and they form rectangles that get larger as you go up. At some point he figured out he could climb through the fence about 4 levels up. But I guess it hurt because he actually went on a fucking diet so he'd be thin enough to crawl through the square 3 levels up. A self imposed diet, all of a sudden, he was only eating half his food. Got worried and took him to the vet and everything. He was in and out of my yard every day for I don't know how long. He'd always be back in the yard when I got home though. I only found out because he started ranging out to the highway and the dog catchers finally figured out where he lived and left a note on my door. They said they saw him jump through the fence at a dead run. Once they tipped me off to it, I put him in the yard, went outside the fence and watched him do it.

They are aggressive towards other non dog animals. You can have things like cats and ferrets, but you have to watch them closely around each other until you're sure they've been accepted into the pack. Mine hated kids too. He split my nephew's lip open once, but in fairness, my nephew was being fucking stupid and it was a lesson he needed to learn. If a dog is hiding from you and growling and baring it's teeth and the dogs owner is telling you to leave it alone ... leave it the fuck alone no matter how cute you think it is. That seems to be common for small dogs though in my experience. Big dogs generally don't seem to give a fuck and can chill out around kids. Little dogs just can't. Probably because to them, that uncoordinated thing grasping at them is still a fucking monster.
 

Chanur

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Why do they call cages crates?
We called ours "bed". We put a blanket in there and always left the door off. We also never punish our dogs in their crate so it's a safe spot. All we had to do was say " Go to bed" and off she went , sleeping in her crate. We didn't even have to tell her after long enough she would just naturally go to her bed at night. It was awesome and our lab loved it.

Also we taught our lab to respond to potty. If we asked "Do you have to potty" she would go stand at the door if she did or lay there if she didn't.
 

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Man, this turned into a novel.

I owned one, he was pretty awesome. It was already mentioned that they don't bark, they yodel, but honestly they don't yodel unless they're distressed. I never could get mine to yodel on command. When they do start yodeling though, holy shit it sounds like they're being molested or something. Especially if you try to crate train them as puppies.

They're small dogs and will easily live 20 something years. I've heard they are the original terrier, that pretty much any other breed that's a terrier came from this breed. I'd never heard they were bred to hunt lions, I heard they were basically one step away from wild dogs.

They often get listed low on the breed intelligence charts, but that's not because they're dumb, it's because they're hard headed. You don't really train a basenji, you have to convince them that they want to do what you want them to do. Traditional carrot and stick approaches don't work (at least the stick part doesn't). For instance, I used to let my dogs out to take a lap around the property when I got home. In the winter sometimes it would be dark when I got home, so I wouldn't let them out. The basenji started shitting in the house at night. I punished him for it, but figured it was because he liked to shit out in the neighborhood, didn't wanna shit in the yard, and couldn't hold it all night. He was actually pretty good about not shitting all over the yard, that's another rep basenji's have. He kept it up, and I starting making him stay out all night. So he'd wait till I let him in in the morning to feed him, and go shit in the house while I was showering. He only did this on days when I got home too late to let them out. The fucker was shitting in the house to punish me for not letting him out. Tell me that's not a smart dog. And he would stand by the shit all defiant too, not slink away like the other dog when I got upset.

They are escape artists. I read from one owner that a chain link fence is nothing more than a ladder to freedom for a basenji. After my shepherd died, mine turned into a real escape artist. As long as she was alive, he only got out when there was a hole big enough for both of them to fit. My yard was fenced with range fencing. If you don't know what that is, think of chicken wire, but it's a lot thicker wire and they form rectangles that get larger as you go up. At some point he figured out he could climb through the fence about 4 levels up. But I guess it hurt because he actually went on a fucking diet so he'd be thin enough to crawl through the square 3 levels up. A self imposed diet, all of a sudden, he was only eating half his food. Got worried and took him to the vet and everything. He was in and out of my yard every day for I don't know how long. He'd always be back in the yard when I got home though. I only found out because he started ranging out to the highway and the dog catchers finally figured out where he lived and left a note on my door. They said they saw him jump through the fence at a dead run. Once they tipped me off to it, I put him in the yard, went outside the fence and watched him do it.

They are aggressive towards other non dog animals. You can have things like cats and ferrets, but you have to watch them closely around each other until you're sure they've been accepted into the pack. Mine hated kids too. He split my nephew's lip open once, but in fairness, my nephew was being fucking stupid and it was a lesson he needed to learn. If a dog is hiding from you and growling and baring it's teeth and the dogs owner is telling you to leave it alone ... leave it the fuck alone no matter how cute you think it is. That seems to be common for small dogs though in my experience. Big dogs generally don't seem to give a fuck and can chill out around kids. Little dogs just can't. Probably because to them, that uncoordinated thing grasping at them is still a fucking monster.
Thanks man, much appreciated. Did a bit of research last night and your post confirms a lot of what I read about the breed.

Anyone have any experience with Viszlas?
 

hodj

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No, labrador is like one of the most popular breeds in the world for families for a reason.
 

Gavinmad

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I hate designer breeds but labradoodles are pretty legit. Fuck that name though, shoulda gone with Poodrador.
 

LachiusTZ

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Dont be an asshat and get a labradoodle. And dont get a breed cause you think it "looks cool". Which is what this feels like for you.

If you have owned 1 dog, since you were 15, and obviously not involved with it, get something basic, with a good temperament, easy to work with, and wants to please without the top end energy. Unless you want a marathon companion.

Anything hard headed, you will fuck up. Anything with more energy than your family (have zero idea about your life style), will get restless etc (then you get the "this dog is eating all my shit and tearing up the house / running away etc").

I grew up with black labs, amazing dogs. But we were avid dove hunters every fall, as well as duck. So they had a place, and something we would work with weekly year around. Then I got a boxer pit mix, most hard headed thing I have ever seen in my fucking life. Not even sure how it survived (it ate 2 boxes of nails, a full size pyrex baking trey full of buffalo chicken wings, the floor in my closet, chewed apart a 1/4" steel cable, and maybe more but thats what I remember).

Now I have an english mastiff, about 10yrs old, sheds like its going bald, but otherwise an amazing dog.

Dunno man, its a hard call to make. But seriously, dont get something with world class energy unless you guys are outside 7 days a week for most of the day etc and will take the dog, or own acres. Or something hard headed, cause you will prolly (not certainly, but most likely) fuck the dog up.

Also, if you dont like dogs, you are basically a bad human.
 

Gavinmad

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Labradoodles are basically mutts, that's what a designer breed is. Except in this case they're custom bred mutts. They have most of the positive traits of both their parent breeds combined with the wider gene pool that is responsible for mutts usually being healthier and smarter than pure breed dogs. Getting an asshat doesn't make you a labradoodle. Putting a scarf on your labradoodle when you walk it makes you an asshat.