Pussification in America: Political Correctness is Gay

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fanaskin

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Since when is self defense vigilantism? .
pre meditated murder is not "self defense", and you did implicitly imply that woman where justified to pre meditated murder because they can prevent their own deaths, otherwise bringing that up was asanine and pedantic.
 

TrollfaceDeux

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pre-meditated murder doesn't hold up well in courts...whether it's hit man or anything else, which is why that woman's case is an extraordinary ruling....i suppose in their logic since she didn't kill anyone it was ok.
 

Lithose

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How better to do that than promote the underlying principles that pretty much everyone can agree with (as the article attempts to do) and point out when actions contradict these principles (as you have just done)?
Well, I would first start off as not comparing misandry to Freddy Kruger or some other boogeyman myth? That's theproblem. Even if they assume said misandry stems from other men, then it still exists. The person simply doesn't have the same "definition" of it as them (Which is a silly definition, it's like saying black cops can't racial profile....). So rather than hand wave and say "with my magic philosophy, the very real problems you have are reclassifiedsemanticallyto not exist."--why don't feminists say "Sure, they exist, BUT they are part of the problem we are working on." (I KNOW why they don't do this, explained below).

Most feminists, however, think that if they somehow admit these problems exist, they will waste political, social and economic capital and perhaps jeopardize their own goals. So tactically, they choose to use semantics, like that article does, to form a kind of psuedo-philosophical shield against the very existence of these legitimate gripes. By using their unassailable logic loop that any problem spawned from men cannotgo against men (Or be misandric), EVEN IF IT BENEFITS WOMEN, they have taken an extraordinarilyhypocriticalposition give the nature of gender equality.

It's a position I understand, sure. Tactically, if I'm looking to benefit my position, I'm not going to throw away resources by making mistakes with my rhetoric. Which is why you don't see feminists donating to fight "mommy state" courts. Because they are afraid that by changing their rhetoric, they might deflate popular support for causes that do actually matter--it's a common thing among institutions that are close to achieving their "ultimate" goals. This combined with moving goal posts is a tactic that tends to keep institutions alive, well after they should expire (See NATO--I can expound on this if you want, but you probably get it)...(Also, not saying Feminism should be done, but it's showing signs of becoming long in the tooth, as it were.)

Which is my problem with articles like that. She could have still made her point, without having to essentially say that all male problems are simply delusions of frightened, privileged, men. Her argument doesn't stem from any kind of rational basis, rather it is spawned from the need to have that semantic-shield which protects the movement from having to expand and thereby perhaps weaken it's core focus. Which, again, is fine (Because I'd do it if I were in a long fight :p), but framing it as "truth", rather than saying "right now, these (Women focused) problems require a higher priority because overall men still are a bit ahead" can be really agitating when speaking to feminists.

(Overall too, these problems stem from the narrow scope of the ideology. You really can't frame every problem as spawning from Gender, but many feminists DO try to do just that, which makes things...dumb..especially now when major milestones in women's rights have been achieved. But that's a whole different issue and A LOT of social ideologies, from economic, to political, to racial, do that same thing.)
 

iannis

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It's still vengeance.

You don't have to be angry to commit an act of vengeance. You can be scared, or hopeless, or in the case of sociopaths full on giggling, or full of purpose. I'm not trying to be condescending -- you are completely lost in the emotion of it, and looking for mercy in misery. It's there, but not where you're looking. The women who die has nothing to do with it, any more than if they paid 25 grand or a hotdog and a blowjob has anything to do with it. You're trying to argue self-defense for a pro-active murder, and you're trying really hard. What's tripping your argument up is that it's not self-defense and it is not a justifiable homocide. To even make it look like one you have to pretend knowledge that you don't have. You have to pretend to know what would have happened. But those statistics don't tell you anything about what would have happened, they only tell you what did happen. And at that they only tell you what did happen to someone else not at all involved with the killings (whichever killing that is).

It's actually the strongest moral argument against state sponsored capital punishment that I've ever heard.

No, wait on second thought why am I arguing against you? There's this black guy at work that looks at me funny sometimes and he's called me a cracker motherfucker and he's sort of slow and we both KNOW that black people commit the most murders (don't try to deny that shit). Would you go kill him for me? I'll give you a snickers bar. It's totally cool, we'll say it was self defense.

It's the exact same principle. I have what I believe is a justifiable fear for my life. So go kill that fucker for me, be a hero.

That is not safeguarding yourself the only way you can. At best that's safeguarding yourself the only way you can think of. So different laws and morality should apply to retarded or desperate people? You know, they actually do, we do observe that mercy. But no one's claiming, not even you, that she's mentally incompetent. The argument is entirely emotional.
 

Lithose

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Lithose, have you ever heard of Warren Farrell.
No. I've read a lot of feminist work, but usually it's just to try and give me some perspective on, say, Marx/Hayek/Keynes (Any notable economist) who try to push everything we do through an economics perspective. I also read a lot of political/social commentary, like Hitchens, for the same reason--being an economist, I tend to view most things through a financial lens, so I try to get point of view outside my field, because, say, a feminist will have radically different explanations for "why" things happen.

Looking him up, he seems to reach a lot of the conclusions I have . Mostly that feminism's core approach to problems is too narrow--not that's it's totally WRONG but attempting to prune away economic and social constraints on powerless men gives a skewed picture on the "why" of things and is perhaps counter intuitive when attempting to change social fabric (It's like using a broad sword when you need a scalpel). His male power myth seems like a good read, I will probably pick it up.
 

TrollfaceDeux

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yeah man, Myth of Male Power. Do read it bro if you got some time. great contrast on hypo-agency (female) and hyper-agency (male).

EDIT: it does fit nicely that many core concepts of feminists have become another branch of marxist framework ..but that's another topic I guess.
 

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http://news.yahoo.com/banality-butte...134748348.html

Hey guys, Paula Deen said something racist once. You probably haven't heard of it, the media is burying this one.

This sort of thing really annoys me. A guy tries to take an incident and conflate it as if it is about more than just the incident. So "Paula Deen said a racial slur 30 years ago" becomes some kind of metaphor for the post-war South and the nature of evil. Give me a fucking break.
 

iannis

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On the one hand Paula Deen got shit on for no good reason.

On the other hand she's Paula Deen.

When your entire fortune is based on your reputation you might want to be careful about guarding your reputation. She dies by the whims of the mob, but she also lived by it.

And she still probably made more money last month than I make in an entire year. Fuck her.
 

chthonic-anemos

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Couldn't Paula have declined to answer those questions? I assume lawyers would have told her to admit nothing.
 

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http://news.yahoo.com/banality-butte...134748348.html

Hey guys, Paula Deen said something racist once. You probably haven't heard of it, the media is burying this one.

This sort of thing really annoys me. A guy tries to take an incident and conflate it as if it is about more than just the incident. So "Paula Deen said a racial slur 30 years ago" becomes some kind of metaphor for the post-war South and the nature of evil. Give me a fucking break.
I bet 50 blow jobs there is not a single person in the world who has not told racial jokes or used racial slurs at some point in there life.
 

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Where in the world do we find such societies?