Red Pill Thread 2.0: Neckbeard Revenge

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Mist made a great point earlier. Feminism, at its core, is about power, about securing power for women, and that power, to much of the movement, means taking power away from the masculine, from the 'patriarchy' as they call it.

And I'll reiterate, feminism has secured for itself too much societal power, to where it breaks down societal responsibilities and greatly effects social narratives (e.g., divorce court rape, no slut shaming).

A part of the RP is to combat that.

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Imagine dating Dumar and being told that tv show you like sucks, that movie you want to see sucks, the game you want to play sucks, the country you live in sucks, your culture sucks
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It's not negative; it's just truthful insofar as reality is as it is. We can stick our heads in the sand & say the modern gaming and film industries are great, but they're really, actually, fucking terrible.
 
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Jackie Treehorn_sl said:
Then again I don't look like a neckbeard.
because I connect with them.
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Sorry, did you really:
A) Just post pictures of yourself showing you to be a muscular man who weightlifts.
B) Make fun of a man who doesn't weightlift
C) Talk about how women approach you all the time
D) Talk about how the ideology that shows WHY women approach you all the time is wrong?

Ok, so you're providing women with alpha fucks, and yet still, giving them commitment and showing you can provide for them...

That's exactly what red pill says women want, why do you think you aren't having trouble finding women?
 
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Dumar, you are the most negative person on these boards by far. I assume you walk around life seeing literal shit everywhere akin to that episode of south park.
 
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Antarius_sl said:
Sorry, did you really:
A) Just post pictures of yourself showing you to be a muscular man who weightlifts.
B) Make fun of a man who doesn't weightlift
C) Talk about how women approach you all the time
D) Talk about how the ideology that shows WHY women approach you all the time is wrong?

Ok, so you're providing women with alpha fucks, and yet still, giving them commitment and showing you can provide for them...

That's exactly what red pill says women want, why do you think you aren't having trouble finding women?
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I also find this pretty funny. Treehorn seems like he's presenting himself as the ideal that redpillers strive for.


There seems to be a sentiment that redpill is about people using tricks and pretending to be something they're not to manipulate women into being controlled. Maybe some people do this, but that's not what the idea is about. It's about improving yourself as a man to be more attractive to your current or future partners. For some people, likely Treehorn, the ideas come naturally and seeing it discussed is a waste of time. For a lot of guys who naturally 'get it' it's like describing how the mechanics of angular momentum keep a bicycle upright. Really I think this is another case where someone is focusing on the egregious dickheads that ascribe to redpill ideology and using that to dismiss the idea of self-improving through understanding attraction.
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
Dumar, you are the most negative person on these boards by far. I assume you walk around life seeing literal shit everywhere akin to that episode of south park.
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I've been a part of the MMO community since the 90's and this board since noows. How could you look around andnotsee literal shit everywhere?
 
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Antarius_sl said:
Sorry, did you really:
A) Just post pictures of yourself showing you to be a muscular man who weightlifts.
B) Make fun of a man who doesn't weightlift
C) Talk about how women approach you all the time
D) Talk about how the ideology that shows WHY women approach you all the time is wrong?

Ok, so you're providing women with alpha fucks, and yet still, giving them commitment and showing you can provide for them...

That's exactly what red pill says women want, why do you think you aren't having trouble finding women?
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Being in good shape does not mean you have to "act alpha." That's what I take offense to. I don't treat women like shit, I treat them like fellow humans. I don't use cheesy pickup lines, I don't use "game," and I don't play games.

Go out into a public place, look at the couples around you. For the purpose of this scenario, let's imagine a place with plenty of diversity and large numbers of people.

Do you see plenty of fat, chubby, unattractive men, many dressed poorly, some of who might not even look or act particularly masculine, walking around with wives / girlfriends? Yes, you see this all over the place. Did these guys act ALPHAZ(!!!!!) to get their wives and girlfriends? Probably fucking not. Yet they STILL FOUND MATES. WHY? Because they actually found someone on their own goddamn level, instead of obsessing over "HB9s" or whatever lameass term you people use.

I think in particular there's an obsession with the latecomer virgins (and I'm not saying that in a disparaging tone) where they MUST have sex with women like the ones they see in porn, or else they're a failure, when they've got women who are willing to love them for who they are all over the place, instead of trying to turn themselves into what they think a 9/10 women wants.

Face the facts: If you're a 25, 30, 35 year old guy who has never had a girlfriend, you look dopey, you're socially awkward...no amount of work is ever going to get you dating what society considers "hot" women. No Redpill, no PUA, is ever going to turn you into that guy.

But guess what? THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT! There's a woman out there you CAN love who will love you back, and you will think she's the most beautiful woman in the world after you actually get to know her. That's a very important thing the eternally dateless don't understand because they haven't experienced it: Attraction GROWS when you're actually in a healthy relationship and get to know someone intimately. But they're obsessed with fucking supermodels when they're a 5/10.
 
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Tuco_sl said:
I also find this pretty funny. Treehorn seems like he's presenting himself as the ideal that redpillers strive for.


There seems to be a sentiment that redpill is about people using tricks and pretending to be something they're not to manipulate women into being controlled. Maybe some people do this, but that's not what the idea is about. It's about improving yourself as a man to be more attractive to your current or future partners. For some people, likely Treehorn, the ideas come naturally and seeing it discussed is a waste of time. For a lot of guys who naturally 'get it' it's like describing how the mechanics of angular momentum keep a bicycle upright. Really I think this is another case where someone is focusing on the egregious dickheads that ascribe to redpill ideology and using that to dismiss the idea of self-improving through understanding attraction.
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I understand exactly what you're saying, in so far as the legitimate tenants of it are.

Improve your looks.
Dress well.
Get interesting hobbies.
And so on.

The problem being that seems to be a very small part of what that Reddit is actually about. The people there have twisted all of that into a mangled shitpile of misogyny and obvious disdain and bitterness towards women. Read my last reply before this one, because I think it explains some of what I mean.

It's almost as if you, Tuco, knew about this Redpill thing from a different place (or time) where it was explained quite differently, because Dumar and Himeo have not been giving off that same vibe you're speaking of.

My other main argument is, and I described above already, is the fact I don't really think many of the tenants are teachable. Either you're masculine, or you're not. I think a very small percentage of people are going to change this about themselves.

The bottom line is, I think it's trying to turn men who are ALREADY DECENT PEOPLE into something they're not (and will never be) in order to try and get women way above their paygrade, which will never work out, when there are women who exist who would love them for who they are.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
Mist made a great point earlier. Feminism, at its core, is about power, about securing power for women, and that power, to much of the movement, means taking power away from the masculine, from the 'patriarchy' as they call it.
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Zero-sum thinking, a sure sign of a shitty ideology. The progress of human societies has never been zero-sum, that's why it works.
 
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Jackie Treehorn_sl said:
The bottom line is, I think it's trying to turn men who are ALREADY DECENT PEOPLE into something they're not (and will never be) in order to try and get women way above their paygrade, which will never work out, when there are women who exist who would love them for who they are.
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But you're missing the point: the reason RP exists essentially, is to make men aware of the fact thatmodern society tells it differently, tells it incorrectly based on an erroneous gender equalism.

Because of the sexual revolution, of the go grrl attitude, societal and cultural mores have been removed, like I said. Why is this important to this discussion? You're very point that there are 'women who exist who will 'love' these men for who they are' is outdated thinking. It was true in the older social order, marriage 1.0, where a man may be a good provider and could expect to find a decent wife who's ass isn't chaffed due to riding the carousel all the years like modern women.

But now, with pure sexual freedom and unrestrained hypergamy, slut shaming social mores no longer apply, and the situation you've got now is those average women who may have made good partners to those men are now clubbing and whoring it up every weekend, getting themselves used up by men who will not commit to them. Fast foward their bodies & minds 10 years, they're used up, physically, mentally, emotionally,and yet stillthese women flip their script andexpectthe provider men you speak of to marry them. Cue thewhere have all the good men gonetripe.

Feminism cannot have its cake & eat it also. That'spreciselywhy RP exists: awareness of the fact above and to inform men, to tell them they should be on the receiving end of the best part of the deal, not settling for damaged goods.
 
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Except that just because some average men, can find some average women and have "a relationship" doesn't mean that the red pill knowledge is bad. It can help those average men improve the quality of their relationships. It can help incel men find someone.

Listen, you say that you don't act alpha, but you have spent at least 8 posts making fun of Dumar because you are bigger, stronger, and have more sex than he has.

Yes, that is stereotypical alpha behavior.

Tuco knows about it from a different place and time because The Girls that Broke your Heart Thread has been around, giving red-pill esque advice for something like 10 years now. Yes, the advice has gotten better and more refined over time. But the basic fundamentals were there even before the beginning of the "pua community" started to gain popularity online.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
Preaching to the choir; we're not the ones trying to tear down masculine power.
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No, you're the idiot that thinks uplifting women is about tearing down men.

I'm gonna lay this out here once and for all and demolish several current threads at once.

Tearing down the 'patriarchy' is actually about tearing down corrupt power structures in general. Same goes for the race-baiting warriors who see all corrupt power structures as evidence of racism. Lefties see it as capitalism. Teatards see it as government.

Every ideology has a different label for it, but it's all just different facets of the same thing, this entrenched, corrupt power structure that sits atop society.

The whole point of all this bullshit is to try to get the white male middle-of-the-road types to stop identifying with this corrupt power structure that oppresses us *all* including yourselves.

When feminists talk about 'patriarchy' they're not talking about YOU.
When the race warriors talk about society being racist they're not saying YOU'RE racist.

The patriarchy are the people who shit on you and steal your labors, they just steal a little less percent of your labors than if you were a woman or a minority.

And that's where this redpill shit is stupid and dangerous, because it takes that whole patriarchy thing and sells you on the idea that you can be one of them, or at least reap the benefits of being like them, if you just act more 'alpha' and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
 
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I really don't want to inject political or racial overtones into this. When feminists define oppression by the patriarchy, they're not talking about specific power structures of modern capitalism; they're talking about the men who operate them. They would be perfectly happy sitting on top of that structure, just ask Sheryl Sandberg.
 
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Dumar looks pretty hot.

Anyway, from that Millennial Gall article

For one, it?s not as if we are holding out for Jake Gyllenhaal, but we do have certain non-negotiable expectations for potential mates that include college degrees and white-collar jobs. Life has always gone according to our plans, so why wouldn?t we land a man with these (reasonable) requirements?
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Yeah, it sure would suck to end up having to marry a plumber or an electrician or god forbid awelderYou should definitely hold out for a service industry cubicle mouse versus the guy with real skills making real dollars.
 
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Arbitrary_sl said:
Dumar looks pretty hot.

Anyway, from that Millennial Gall article



Yeah, it sure would suck to end up having to marry a plumber or an electrician or god forbid awelderYou should definitely hold out for a service industry cubicle mouse versus the guy with real skills making real dollars.
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You can see that script laid bare with a bit of RP knowledge.
 
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Mist_sl said:
And that's where this feminist shit is stupid and dangerous, because it takes that whole patriarchy thing and sells you on the idea that you can be one of them, or at least reap the benefits of being like them, if you just act more like them, and pay no attention to the fact that it makes all men unattractive to you, and you unattractive to all men.
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Jackie Treehorn_sl said:
My other main argument is, and I described above already, is the fact I don't really think many of the tenants are teachable. Either you're masculine, or you're not. I think a very small percentage of people are going to change this about themselves.
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I don't really agree with this because I think most men have a desire to be masculine, but aren't sure what masculine is and are inhibited from being masculine because they think it's inappropriate.

I do agree that I'm probably not in touch with much of the redpill movement. It's a derivative of stuff I read when I was a teenager and who knows how it morphed since then. And usually the people who preach redpill ideology the most make it sound more complex than it is.
 
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Mist_sl said:
When feminists talk about 'patriarchy' they're not talking about YOU.
When the race warriors talk about society being racist they're not saying YOU'RE racist.
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Is there a word to describe the inverse of a strawman argument?
Strawman=attacking a position other than (typically more extreme than) what your opponent is claiming in order to win an argument.
Strawwoman(?)= defending a position more limited (more reasonable) than what you actually believe in order to avoid losing an argument.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
I really don't want to inject political or racial overtones into this. When feminists define oppression by the patriarchy, they're not talking about specific power structures of modern capitalism; they're talking about the men who operate them. They would be perfectly happy sitting on top of that structure, just ask Sheryl Sandberg.
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You're wrong. Feminism, race conflict theory, Marxism, postcolonialism, etc are all branches of the same conflict theory tree. They're all railing against the same thing from different angles.
 
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